Tobias Kempe of Germany and Ibok Edet of Nigeria

Nigeria lose to Germans

Posted: 2009-10-08 07:00

Germany have qualified for the quarterfinal of the Fifa Under-20 World Cup after they defeated Nigeria 3-2 at the Hosni Mubarak Stadium on Wednesday night.

Germany will now clash with Brazil, who defeated South American rivals Uruguay in their own round of 16 match earlier Wednesday.

Full-back Bjorn Kopplin was the hero for the Germans as he scored twice, with the match winner coming in stoppage time when he ran almost half way down the pitch following a mistake by Lukman Haruna before slotting the ball home.

Daniel Uchechi put Nigeria ahead on 51 minutes with a header off a cross by King Osanga, but almost immediately the Germans drew level through Kopplin.

Nigeria regained their lead in the 68th minute following a strong run by Nurudeen Orelesi, which found Rabiu Ibrahim to fire home from close range.

However, six minutes later Germany restored parity when substitute Mario Vrancic stabbed home after yet another superb delivery by Kopplin from the left wing.

After a dour first half, the first two goals after the interval appeared to open up the game as Nigeria goalkeeper Uche Okafor had to deny Richard Sukutu-Pasu twice within two minutes. First, he came out to clear with Sukutu headed for goal, and almost within a twinkle of an eye, the Kaduna United goalkeeper had to save off the feet of the big striker.

Even though European champions Germany were denied the use of as many as 26 players by their various German clubs for this tournament, they were the favourites against a Nigerian team who barely scraped through to the round of 16 by virtue of having finished as one of four best third-placed teams.

Nigeria started out with an attacking team with four forwards - Stanley Ohawuchi, Odion Ighalo, Osanga and Uchechi - with Ibrahim and Lukman Haruna supporting them from midfield.

The Flying Eagles took the game to their German counterparts, but against the run of play, Bayer Leverkusen striker Richard Sukutu-Pasu came close to opening up the scoring as early as the fourth minute when he almost punished a moment of indecision in the heart of the Nigerian defence.

Sukutu-Pasu's other chance came in the dying minutes when his near post header was gathered by goalkeeper Uche Okafor.

Before then, Okafor did well to come off his line to thwart a goal-bound Tobias Kempe, who had sprung the Nigerian offside trap.

Nigeria's chances in the first half fell to skipper Ighalo. First, on 11 minutes, he whipped a shot from the top of the box, which narrowly missed the target. In the 33rd minute, he sliced his shot from inside the box wide.

The Flying Eagles must rue some missed chances in their best performance at the tournament, especially late in the second period particularly Uchechi, who clipped his shot over the bar from inside the box.

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ONE NIGERIA: 2009-10-08 07:21

NA OUR PRESIDENT YARA DUA DEY GIVE US BAD LUCK. THAT MAN IS A BUNCH OF BAD LUCK SINCE HE ENTER WE NEVER WIN ANY TROPHY.
MY PEOPLE MAKE UNA NO BLAME ANYBODY NA PRESIDO BAD LUCK THEY MAKE US NO DEY CARRY ANY THING.

Detmolder: 2009-10-08 07:32

These players should be jailed and Siasia should be given hard labour for 5 years as punishment for letting the nation down.

Objective: 2009-10-08 07:35

There i was preparing to watch extra time and the old men were rightly exposed right at the end.

emma: 2009-10-08 07:46

is very sad that this word 'BAD LUCK'is infectious that NFF the ogbenga carrier shld be taken care of by sacking them look at nija the only thing that give us joy they still want to take it away fro us.abeg baba God send ur divine shawer upon nija for change i know nothing is impossible for u baba God.....

Bob : 2009-10-08 07:54

The rise and fall of Idi Amin Siasia
> Pride goes before destruction
> When everyone Praises you, watchout becos praise could be deceptive.
> Winning silver at U-20 and U-23 [Overage youth tournament ] WC does not make one a super coach
> Do unto others as you want them do unto you. When Nigerians were rooting for the fall of Amodu so that you will take over his job, you supported by your silence instead of coming out publicly to declare your support for Amodu. There is an African proverb that says that if you do not let your friend to get one, you will not get ten. Now where are are all your insulting fans on this forum. They are all gone
What a Shame and a sad end

emma: 2009-10-08 07:55

kojo: 2009-10-08 07:56

Come on guys, pick yourselves together and live the dream, no time for blame games.Where you fall should never be your sleeping place. Yes you can! Ghanaians are strongly behind you.No shaking.....

kojo: 2009-10-08 07:57

Come on guys, pick yourselves together and live the dream, no time for blame games.Where you fall should never be your sleeping place. Yes you can! Ghanaians are strongly behind you.No shaking.....

Victor: 2009-10-08 07:57

it is not unbelievable at all. Watching those buys against Venz in the first game, expecting Sisia to dish out instructions to keep deciplined with the ball but he did not. Incredible Lukman make that jailing tackle, Sisia still retained him. Ighalo firing like old moluwe exust-pipe without target,Sisia still kept him. The German game, Sisia stud like Tafawa Belwa statu on the bench like that last game Sven Erikson played with England against Portugal in World Cup. Playing not knowing what to do with the ball and coach sitting dey look also not knowing what to tell the boys. I read sooooo many articles and negative comments about Lukman Haruna even when he was striped of the captainship, for what on earth did Sisia impose that lunatic on Nigeria? Was he under durex? chances upon chances squandered and coach can't talk to the boys. The German coach was always on the side line playing with his boys. It's funny the manner the game was lost. Sorry would be the right word from Sisia and Nigerians living with this unnecessary disappointment for a long time.

Bob : 2009-10-08 08:04

The most tactically bankrupt team in the tournament, ever
I wonder what insults would have been rained on Amodu if he was the coach of FE. I would advise Amodu to honorably resign after the WCQ or ANC becos Nigerians are ungrateful. If they don't like you , nothing you do will excite them. Even though Amodu has never lost a competetive match, they still bash him. Sorry for Naija futball

Bob : 2009-10-08 08:08

speechless: 2009-10-08 08:11

Siasia is the biggest fool on earth....in short he's a moron, a deluded none entity...dont blame the boys,but the coach that selected those bunch of motor park touts to go represent naija on international level...am sure this country can produce better players than those lots....Imagine having strikers who dont knw where the goal post is located,yet u let him play in all the matches...I challenge anyone here to correct me SIASIA IS A FOOL AND NOT A COACH...in the previous past he had true talented and dedicated players that helped him achieve the name he made....with this team we all saw how incapable a coach he is....Those of you calling for him to be installed as our senior national team coach,can now back off and let amodu continue..atleast he is yet to lose a match....our football is dead and buried...as long as we continue to cheat at age group level,we can never move forward....why ve under 30s represent us at under 17 tornaments,that is cheating and disgracefull...

emma: 2009-10-08 08:15

ik: 2009-10-08 08:16

SIASIA SHOULD ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:

1. Why did it take him so long to replace the injured Edet? This led to the German second goal.

2. Why has he {siasia} preferred ighalo odion, even after it has become obvious the guy has no single luck and lack attacking intelligence. Look at the Germans finishing, CLASSY ONES.

3. As a coach you know you have arrived 90 minutes and the added 3 minutes can be well utilized by classy, pacy, tactical and intelligent German players to kill off the game. Why didn’t you advise you boys to be defensive and wait for a counter attack opportunity for just 3 minutes? Siasia you are not what u think u are. You claimed to make the likes of Mikel, Taiwos, but I put it to you without shy that they quality in these guys made you as a coach.

4. What happened to the likes of Okechukwu Uchebo, Ganiyu Oseni, and Akinsola? I learnt marculey Chrisantus is injured, but what of our best defender at this level; I forget his name a Calabar boy like that? Siasia is very autocratic as if he is Nigeria himself that is why he fails. He forgetting no one is reservoir of wisdom or knowledge, we Nigeria asked he to forgive Mikel during Beijing but he refuse and he came back without the Gold.

5. Who was that SHAGARI with an Opioro mango HEAD, when you have other qualities on the bench to come as substitute. Oh mm.

IN SUMMARY:
We need a white technical adviser both at the senior and junior levels. PERIOD. Our indigenous are not technically and tactically sounds. They have no knowledge of modern day football to compete with other foreign coaches in the world tournaments. If I should ask, why can’t we try westerhof Clemens who is lucky and has won us something in the past? He knows our league too well. Sorry Nigerian corruption will never end; we only need God’s intervention. We know the truth and keep ourselves lies.

FELLOW FORUMITES THIS THE TIME TO CONTRIBUTE WISELY ON THIS WEBSITE, AND STOP JUVENILE JOKES HERE, ESPECIALLY ONE #MIKE 1, USE THIS FORUM TO CONTRIBUTE WISELY SOLUTIONS TO OUR FOOTBALL PROBLEMS.

emma: 2009-10-08 08:22

well sisia you v tried but that dose not mean ur not good the world is ur wittness ok ....

Point: 2009-10-08 08:23

It's the prayers of the university students who have been at home due to over 3 months ASUU strike that made the FE to fail yesterday. FG please help them go back to school. If the president is sick, why can't sai1 and his boys be sick in front of goals? Any way, @Emeka in this forum, we know who you are. You are Laden Bosso. Sai1, even with this performance so far is 101% better than you. You had the opportunity for over 1 year but could not build a team. Quality of this FE was good but for goal scorers. Sai1, please come and put yourself together and reposition yourself for other assignments in and/or outside naija. No one can take it away from you, you are good. 1 year full concentration on a football project and the world would see wonders! Wishing Ghana the best!!!

Udeme: 2009-10-08 08:24

Well, Uche Okafor, you did well, but you shouldn't have dived so early before the German player even kicked the ball which gave the Germans their first equalizer. Haruna, didn't you eat? Why were you trying to dribble at a very dying moment? Also, I think Amodu should invite Obiora N****wo to the super chickens imidiately.

ik: 2009-10-08 08:31

Again, siasia paraded bunch of orongotong and baboon looking faces, don’t you think facial look attracts good luck. Our players have faces that only their mother can admire. Very ugly looking morons. Their heads are like APE CREATURES like siasia head.

Their physical appearances are a pure representation of Bad luck and failures. Next time select handsome looking guys like beckam, ronaldos, mikels, okochas, olisehs, drogbas, fabregas, and messi.

kent: 2009-10-08 08:41

Nigerians! On week ago Siasia was seen as the best Nigerian coach.Now, the same people are saying he is not better than Amodu.It´s like these comments are made by kids who like football,but know nothing about it.To me, Siasia is still a good coach, but he is not the right man for SE.If a player runs down our defenders to score,then our boys are not good enough. Not Siasia.

akeem: 2009-10-08 08:47

to be very fair and honest, the blame should be on the coach (Samson Siasia) because he had every opportunity to select the best team to represent the country. for the first time, i do not see NFF to blame here. Siasia played 2 tournaments and camped in spain b4 this tournament. these i believe is good enough to get the best selection for the tournament. the Germans that defeated also did not prepare very well so what is our justification. absolutely nothing. we lost fair and square and against ten business-like men.

nelson: 2009-10-08 09:00

i read unanimously the condemnation of siasia on this forum,but it was here that peoples praised him few weeks ago.that is a lesson to learn for him about life.moreso,lets accept the coach take the blame for poor result ok,but those players were proffessionals too.are they really up to the task in the competition?i say no categorically.now! should we not ask ourselves if we have not pass away from football nation,if we look globally our results in all categories.dont we think of changing all football systems nff,technical teams rather than taking on siasia or amodu.

OG: 2009-10-08 09:06

played 4 games. lost. What a team. What a coach

Nero: 2009-10-08 09:10

1st, Siasia u did your best. 4 does calling 4 your head, let them tell us who is better then u of date. let me remind them ones more, u can only take a house to the stream, but d decision to drink or not to is left 2 itself alone. Let us all learn from our mistakes.
1. When you give a coach a job, give him free hands till the end of his assignment.
2. This idea of one coach will start & another finish has never given us good results.
3. Westerholf's success still speaks because of the long duration in building a team of its own.
4. Followed by Bon Jo, because he has being there from the beginning.
Summary; 2009 should be our year of tune around. Now is the time. Assign coaches now to handle our national teams’ base on records and determinations to make our nation proud. long team contracts should start now.
Ghana you have our support. Go through!

felele the arm chair critic: 2009-10-08 09:15

nigerian teams these days have 2 very bad traits...

1. they let in goals IMMEDIATELY after they score (when they manage to take the lead)
2. They gift last miute goals!!

with this combination continuing im afraid if football was a film we'll only be extras (waka pass) in it! :)

now lets all support Ghana being the only African team left and wait for a miracle in the cup of nations! rabbish!!!

Garvey: 2009-10-08 09:22

@Emeka (Stilo)- You can change your name but your character will not change. Your little brain will never get it. It's not about Siasia or who the players are. It's about Nigeria losing to Germany. You must be a sick head to let your personal grudge against Siasia dictate opinion. The FE lost to Germany: yes but they were not disgraced as you wanted it. Your prediction of 3-0 never came to pass. If you know a little bit about football or have ever played it before in your life then you will know that in Football, you win some and you lose some. I am sure your small brain will never get that.

Nero: 2009-10-08 09:26

Tim: 2009-10-08 09:32

I wasn't expecting miracles from those boys.Its been a proven fact that we do not build on previous successes. The Japan 93 team graduated to the fumble and wumble U21 team of 95. We did not replicate the magic of Atlanta 96 in sydney. So i would say the problem is in the administration of the game. (1) They gave a successful team to a coach without pedigree. Instead of the old maxim of continuity. (2)It took them 2 months after the Rwanda debacle to be able to make up their minds on Siasia and so the script of failure was already written in advance.For Siasia it was clearly glaring that the personnel chosen was flawed and a blemish on his burgeoning CV. The most dissapointing was in the defence line. In a long mile this was the worst defensive display of any Nigerian team. The platform for great teams are built on strong defence and i am sorry on the evidence of what was served during this tournament the Class of 2009 lacked it. Forget about attackers firing blanks.
Although i will say Siasia still remains the best in the coaching business in Nigeria. Even great coaches make mistakes!

CHIJIOKE: 2009-10-08 09:40

MMMMHHHH I AM NOT SUPRISED THANKS FIFA FOR WORK WELL DONE.PLS DON'T FORGET TO DO THE SAME WORK FOR THE UNDER 17 THAT IS COMING UP SOON.

Detmolder: 2009-10-08 09:54

These traitors need to have lie detector tests to ascertain if they took bribes to throw the match.

felele the arm chair critic: 2009-10-08 09:55

On a brigther note...Obiora N****wo may likely develop into a useful midfielder in a couple of years if he's really u-21...i think he is or there about. Osanga needs a European club to develop him into the finshed article and the goalie Okafor can benefit from going to Europe as well...

Detmolder: 2009-10-08 09:59

Egypt, Ghana and Cameroon are the real footballing giants of Africa if you take Nations Cup wins into account.

Nigeria need a coach from Ghana then maybe we will be on track to qualifying for the World Cup in 5 years time.

felele the arm chair critic: 2009-10-08 10:01

emeka SHUT UP...its getting boring now

soccabros: 2009-10-08 10:11

WHO EVER CALLS FOR SIASIA'S HEAD SHOULD FIRST CRUCIFY THOSE WHO CALLED HIM TO RESCUE A DYING TEAM IN THREE MONTHS, THEIR COUNTER PARTS SPENT YEARS TOGETHER IN BUILD-UP, FORUMITES DON'T YOU FOLLOW EVENTS, NAWOOOOH; NIGERIANS, THIS SIASIA IS STILL THEN BEST.....WHAT WE ALL SAW IS HIS PRODUCT OF THREE MONTHS....WE SHOULD APPRECIATE HIM.....HE IS NOT GOD; HE HAS DONE HIS BEST.....

OG: 2009-10-08 10:12

Guys....Siasia may have a record as a coach(the fact remains that he has never won any FIFA organized tournament). But that is not the case here. He lost 3 out of 4 games. That's a very bad outing. Even when he was offer a back door opportunity, best 4 losers), still no result. Just like some people say, if it is Amodu, what would have happened in this forum? What led some people in this forum to say what they say about Siasia is still about the comments some other people made when it was about SE and Amodu. A lot of people called him messiah, we have now seen that he is not. We have seen his latest result. Past results may be because of overage players.This is fact so pls dont kill me.
My point, lets stop condemning our coaches (Siasia, Amodu, etc) rather give them support. As a nation we need to ask ourselves this question. What next? Do we wait for under 17 to fail before we realize that our football is going down. Moving forward, we need total overhaul of NFF. For coaches, do we need local or foreign. May be foreign and locals learn from them or expose our locals. Then for players....God help us. You never can tell.

Garvey: 2009-10-08 10:20

@ik - For God sake just go through your comment again and see if you are making any sense. Beautiful face is not what you need to play a game of football. u sef fine as you dey talk so?

Chiedozie: 2009-10-08 10:22

Gents, I have been reding some of your reports and I must say many of us do not know what sports is all about. We just think we know and that is where we are as a nation. Before any body should make any comment, at least know your facts. Siasia said on BBC that he had been shouting for a while with regards to how he wanted his team to play but to no avail. Anyway since he selected the players in the first place, he would take the blame. Ask your selves the truth whether the FE was not properly coached. If I was part of that team, I would say we the players should take the blame. The difference between winners and losers is in the mind and that was what the Germans showed. The played a better team, were a man down yet the exploited our weaknesses to the full, while we did not take all the advantges that fell to us. That was the story of the match.

Detmolder: 2009-10-08 10:29

We have useless coaches get a Ghanaian or European coach.

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dontjusttalkbutthink: 2009-10-08 10:40

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Chiedozie: 2009-10-08 10:42

Paddy Moore: 2009-10-08 10:43

We all know our exit from the tournament was at the doorsteps. Nigerians were only spared the embarrament of the year by not exiting at the group stage. We played 9 men Tahiti and scored just one goal. What would we have expected with 10 men GERMANS who are rugged, strong, organized, disciplined, tactful? Well, we can all continue to blame the boys, coaches or NFF and none of this will ever stop. Qestion: What do we do now? Answer: Seek ye the white goat while it is day light. Firing Siasia will not be an option. Rather NFF should immediately set its target to win in 2011, not just to participate. Every department of this under 20 team - coaching staff, scouts for the team, technical crew, support staff and playesr in each position should begin now to be groomed. You don't win a world cup with 3 months preparation or 2 trips to Asia and Europe for a camp or one week tournament.
Siasia and his team should be mandated to win the cup for Nigerians in 2011. And that mandate should be given NOW. Other well organized team comes to the tournament to win not just to make up the number. Can Nigeria win the world cup at the under 20 or senior level? yes we can. We have done it in 1985, 1993 and 2007 at under 17 level and so we can do it. It requires HARDWORK, PREPARATION AND DISCIPLINE, NOT POLITICS OR TRIBALISM.

dontjusttalkbutthink: 2009-10-08 10:52

Although am very very dissapointed right from the first game against Venez but the fact is that we should stop using abusive words on Siasia especially, i remembered quite well that most you here on this forum was praising him before and now wat?

A good supporter will always be a good supporter, good fans never lay back, This is our coach and he is good guy nomatter wat we say here, He did quite very good in previous under thingy things tournament { U-20 & U-23 } He is a good coach so lets stop insulting him because you & me doing so is pratically not helping in any way but instead we are busy digracing ourselves.

The guys he took to this tournament are below the class or standard of football been play these days, from the defenders to the strickers are not serious at all, they don't think about there own career after the tournament, So we should be talking to the guys about thinking for the future like Mikel, Obasi and the rest did before than talking to Siasia. LETS THINK BEFORE WE TALK, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT ATLEAST PUT RESPECT ON THAT.

Peace

Chiedozie: 2009-10-08 10:54

Noel: 2009-10-08 11:02

I saw indiscipline in our play throughout the tournament. players hanging on to the ball for too long trying to dribble their way out of everything. It was like watching little children playing football in the street. No tactical knowhow or discipline. We get plenty excuses. We no sabi play football that's just the plain truth.

Eric: 2009-10-08 11:06

@Obi, your ****ysis was very incisive. Thanks for that. I hope we will get more of that from like minded people in this forum.

@Emeka, I simply do not want to dignify your rants with a reply. What you saw yesterday in our match does happen, even when you have the world's best coach. There was marked improvement in our team only that our defence lacked technical discipline. Take it or leave it, Siasia has shown that he has the capability to become one of the best coaches in the world. Lest I forget, Sia1 is the best local coach we have in this country at the moment.

I will go a step further to advise the NFF. Their mediocrity is the bane of our footbal. What is their criteria for selecting a coach? I read an article written by the legendary Segun Odegbami that Siasia came first in the interview for Super Eagles coach, but instead of giving it to him the NFF thought differently. They gave it to Amodu and we can all see the result. Today everybody is clamouring for the sack of Amodu. Yea, I too. But the question is this, if we sack Amodu now, what next? Do we give a team that is already in disarray to Siasia perhaps or to anyother coach with proven track record and expect the person to perform miracle with just about 3 months to the nations cup in Angola? People may call Siasia names just because he accepted a greek gift from the NFF. The young man had barely 3 months to prepare a team for the world youth championship. I want to state that if the team had been given to Siasia from the onset he would have done better. I think it is high time the NFF should re-evaluate their criteria for selecting our national team coaches. Ladan Bosso performed woefully with the U-20 in Canada 2007 and was sacked. About a year and half later, the same coach (Ladan Bosso) was apointed again as the U-20 coach. After their dismal outing in Rwanda 2009 he was sacked again. Only for NFF to apoint Siasia to take over a team that was already in disarray and with little or no time to build a team for the U-20 world cup going on in Egypt. Yes we failed in Egypt because of the ineptitude of the NFF. You don't keep on recycling sacked coaches and after they have ruined our teams you now appoint the appropriate coach to perform miracle. It doesn't work that way.
Future competitions are on the way- U17 2011, U20 2011, U23 2012 London Olympics, World Cup 2014. The question is "Where do we go from here?" I think it is time the NFF looks for competent coaches to prosecute the forthcoming campaingns. Siasia could be apointed now to help build the teams for either (U-20 and U-23 Olympics) or (U-23 Olympics and 2014 world cup). A stich in time saves nine.

goodbrains: 2009-10-08 11:06

Siasia so much confidence on himself caused us the knock out stage. We will have won that match should sisia stand up and ditch out instructions to the boys. such matches are being won from the bench and by coach, as we see the German coach did. I think Siasia if ever will be given opportunity again will sit up and correct his mistakes. He has spoil his recods.

lucky: 2009-10-08 11:15

sisia is killing his career gradually and pple are calling him to come and take over SE god forbid EGUAVON RATHER COME BACK to SE

90minutes.: 2009-10-08 11:15

ghana will support nigeria anytime. you are our brothers. What you need is an independent FA devoid of Government interference but blessed with full government suppport financially. Our president is a sports man, played soccer in his University days, has been a national hockey player and has been chairman of Accra Hearts of Oak board before.

Lloyd: 2009-10-08 11:17

ITs a shame that the flying Eagles could not beat a ten man German team despite the fact that they went in front twice.The truth about the team is that they did not have a finisher and coach samson siasia should have noticed this even before leaving for egypt.football is all about scoring goals and not just juguling with the ball like what the flying eagles did in the entire 90 mins yestaday which eventaully caused them the third goal.We as Nigerians know that we have a lot Of ball jugulars but the mphasis should be on goal scoring rather than just dribbling with the ball.b/cos each time we graduate players from one competion to another without enough strikers the resultant effect will tell on the Super eagles when they eventually get to that level.

Babatunde: 2009-10-08 11:18

For crying out loud, where on earth are these so called Nigerians coming from? I have never witnessed such myopic opinions been expressed here. Imagine someone going as far as criticising physical appearances. I think our problems are so compounded that what we need in Nigeria is total re-education of the people's minds and perspectives, or maybe just solid education. This forum is meant for constructive criticisms, not personal malign.

Agreed Siasia slipped this time, but still he showed his class as coach with so little time on his side. We were not disgraced.

It was obvious that players like Ighalo, Rabiu Ibrahim and to top it all, the much touted Haruna had no business in the team. Their contributions were more or less an incumberance on the rest of the team because they either lost ball possession when they had it, giving the rest of the team the extra task to win back the ball, or they squandered their chances.

Ighalo never put himself in a position to either utilise the ball purposefully, made wild shots and kept turning to the referee to protest something. This cost him the last match and also the concentration he needed. He should have been substituted earlier.

Rabiu was like a chicken in the midst of ****s. He fell all over the place loosing critical possesions, and his composure on the ball-always on the wrong side of the ball because he wants to put the ball on his left side slowed down the pace of the counter attacks and he could barely hit the ball hard enough. He needs to undergo an hormone therapy to beef him up. Although he scored a goal, his performance is below average.

Haruna was nowhere to be seen, and the only time I noticed him on the ball, it was the move that resulted in the winning goal for Germany. How could a player who is supposedly good in Monaco, make such a blunder? Immediately he lost the ball I knew it was going to be a goal because the back was not covered. He should have read this situation and not try to play possesive football.

My conclusion here is that football needs to be revolutionised in Nigeria. Traits of playing to the gallery still appears in Nigerian players. Apart from talent, a lot of intelligence is needed in modern soccer. Look at how Germany scored their goals. They were fast counter attacking football with only about 3 positions to
goal.

90minutes.: 2009-10-08 11:24

150,000,000 : 21,000,000. personally, I think Nigeria has a collection of stars than Ghana eventhough I am a Ghanaian. it's high time they wore the garment of right attitude and change the way football administration is run in that country. Ghana is an example to learn from anytime. I play soccer with Nigerians in the Univrsity I attend here in Kumasi, Ghana and I can tell you every nigerian chap is a tallent.

90minutes.: 2009-10-08 11:28

Eric: 2009-10-08 11:28

Lloyd: 2009-10-08 11:33

I think the NFF,NFA and the Entire coaches and people that have majoy contribution to football in Nigeria should begin to come to terms with the fact that they have not being doing much in the area of producing strikers in the teams and age competions.Most of the time the emphasis is usaully on ball jugulars only,and they seem to forget that the same way a jugular is gotten is also the same way you get a finisher.let the truth be said today that if we do not have enough strikers to replace the super eagles when they are aged.Then we are planing to fail as far as football is concerned.I think that major emphases should be on scoring goals not just dribbling but finishing

Babatunde: 2009-10-08 11:35

It is time for us to have our ex-football players who played football to the highest level take over the development of football in Nigeria. Players like Sunday Oliseh, Taribo West, Finnidi George, Uche Okechukwu, and N****wo Kanu were players in their time that played football not only with their legs but also with their brains. That is why they all played in the best teams in the world. They need them to join hands with our already imposing SiaSia to take Nigerian football to the next level.

Babatunde: 2009-10-08 11:38

felix: 2009-10-08 11:39

Speeschless u the biggest fool i have ever come across,Siasia prove himself again dats hes d best coach in Africa soil,which africa team had played agaist germans and hold ball possesion for 90 mins?its sad to lose but if this team is put together wit a coach like siasia dey will do wonders in the next 2 years,if not for Haruna who brought so much bad luck to the flying eagles.Siasia didnt have the chance to make changes bcos of the injured defenders,wat will he do?if the defenders wre not injured i know he wud have change haruna and uchechi wit the so called ighalo,but he was left wit no option.Edet got injured in the 40 mins of first half he managed to play the second half,but we saw it dat he cud not run anymore,so why are u ppl blaming siasia,why the Germans are giving him respect,d german commenttators said dey have never seen nigeria eagles play like dis,wat do u expect its a game of 2 great country at the end one must fall,and will did thru harunas help,an so wat?
Up Siasa,waiting to see u take over super eagles
Felix
Germany

nov: 2009-10-08 11:43

BEST LOSERS ARE INDEED THE BEST LOSER!!!
Siasia you and your prove that you guys The best losers.

Garvey: 2009-10-08 11:49

Thanks to the likes of Eric, Babatunde and 90Minutes for your valuable contribution. People like Jay, Emeka (Stilo) and the rest of u who think this forum is a place where u just come to abuse other forumites rather than make valuable contribution should be ashamed of themselves.

Profy: 2009-10-08 11:51

i know it will come to this. Even those who believe in you will depart you in a seconds but u remain the best ever indigenous coach in the history of Nigeria. I weep for this Country because we are so aggressive and ignorant. Let me say we enjoy critising even when it is not objective.
Siasia took over a team that is disjointed. If NFF beliv in him, Why didnt they give him the Job abinitio. Why did NFF brings him as an emergency
coach when Bosso fails in the African Championship. Do you think, u build a disjointed team in 3months? The Germans team that beats us has been together nder a capable hands from 2years ago. Even Spain that was eliminated in the 2nd round has been together for more than 2years yet they fail to advance. No wonder the world refer to us as Monkeys because we can not think out of the box. Have u taking time to ****yse the match before reaching conclusion. If u dont
know what a white man will do if given a coach this kind of Job under the condition Siasia was given the job and still able to discover very good Midfielders in a tournament, i can assure u that the Man will be honoured. Go and check the statistics, Nigeria has one of the best midfielders in this tournament. If Siasia can still managed this boys for Olympics, we shall see Wonder. NFF time to plan. No fire brigade approach.
Siasia for all your enemy, rejoice over them because whatever happens, Nigeria will be the looser for abandoning a great coach as you are. We are not patient. Afterall you have other source of Income, your family are in US doing very well. If NFF Wahala is too much and they are not ready to give u SE jobs, just go back to US and continue to do what you know best. Atleast those people can think and will appreciate who u are. Dont waste your time about Nigerian. They dont appreciate good people. They are envious of your record even Nigeria coaches are happy now bcos they hate u passionately for how u are been celebrated. Scolari, Hiddink, Ancelloti, ****n Wenger etc have all loose important matches in there Life and it doesnt make them a bad coach.
My brother, i love u so much and i will die defending You because What i see in you i have never seen it in any coach in Nigeria before. The Man that always make something out of Nothing. God bless u siasia.

Profy: 2009-10-08 11:53

This is time for debate. Anybody who want to compare Siasia with Amodu should come up because am ready for that. Siasia remains the best coach in Nigeria. If u have any other evidence, Bring it out and lets ****yse it together. Am ready for all his enemies even if u r up to thousands.

BishopofUnimaid02/03: 2009-10-08 11:57

What can one say about the show of shame we watched yesterday?

Is Siasia a good coach? This is a question Sisia needs to answer. I used to be a fan of his until yesterday. If Siasia had stood up to give instructions, he would have made my day even if the team lost the game. I always love coaches who read the game and pass useful instructions to the team. I remember Arigo Sachhi, the Italian coach at USA 1994.

The German coach yesterday read the game well. he saw the weak link in Abbe and utilized it. Siasia and his "big mouth" assistant coach did absolutely nothing. He couldn't even substitute a disappointing Ighalo.

Why did Siasia pick Ighalo, Ohawuchi and Uchechi? Who are these three unprofessional footballers? They made a mess of the hardwork put in by other members of the team.

My hear goes out to only Rabiu Ibrahim. He was the star player of the match. He won free kicks for the team and on each occasion, Haruna Lukman wuld just go and waste the ball.

Siasia, why do you always stick to captains who are non-performers? I remember Isaac Promise. You don't even know a captain's material. Ighalo can never score a goal even without the goal keeper and defenders. he can never locate the goal post.

Well, I don't think we still have confidence in siasia anymore. We need a coach like Bruno Metsu who took Senegal to their first World Cup outing. We need foreign coach who is out to make a name. Globacom offered to paythe coach but the NFF had their way last time and appointed Vogts becuase somebody wanted to make cool bucks. This time around let glo do the selecting themselves.

Garvey: 2009-10-08 11:58

All of you ignorants clamouring for Siasia to be sacked dont really know what they are talking about. Do you people know the terms of Siasia's contract? Do you think our NFF has any programme in place for the U-20 team after this tournament? I bet you they have none and the team can be regarded as disbanded after the outster yesterday and therefore the coach has no job to do as from yesterday. That is how we are as a nation and it's not different with NFF. They simply do not have any plan for the future.

nov: 2009-10-08 12:05

IK, God intervention always. We didn't performed well. F/E pray before the match and in the second half. The boys are just not too good, yet the boys are better then S/E. Siasia is better then Amodu.

Profy: 2009-10-08 12:07

nov: 2009-10-08 12:10

nov: 2009-10-08 12:12

T,jay: 2009-10-08 12:15

hahahahahahaha!!! i have heard and read enough on this forum. i think d problem is that siasia has compromise his standard by accepting the ill-assembly Ladan Bosson flying Eagles in the first place. Remember forumites, that was a trap for his failure by the NFF, those beautifull for nothing but nonesense gorilla faces, chimppazies, over ages, apes, ****-sapiens players called the FLYING EAGLES are not build by coach Samson Siasia. I thinks those ANIMALS are product of NNF, if not, what is this guy called ADEJO doing in that team? may be b'cos he is a relative of MR. Sani LULU! if d NNF president want 2 pick a player from his state (Kogi State)why must he pick his relative? there are handfull youthful palyers bless with talent in that state not MONKEY of a person ADEJO!!! I think Nigerian should stop blaming Siasia too much for accepting a team that is already doomed for failure. i think Nigerians shuld b calling for the heads of all the NNF members. what pains me the most yesterday, was i supported the team to beat Germani, given the fact that we've never lost to them at youth level.
my problem with siasia is that technically, he has some lopholes, whenever he is fronted with an advaced team, there is always this fear and tremble in him that make him loose two important finals to argentina.
Finally,,forumittes, i think those baboos are mentally, physically, psychologically and spiritually not fit for a football match of any magnitude!!!! it was such a disgrace and a shameful outing. i was thiking they going to prove their critcs wrong by just qualifying to quarter final, which i beleive, after that stage, there will be no hope for them, after ouster of almighty Spain and Venuezuela with their high goal margins.
i was so much disgraced,,i am even ashame of myself!!! what a pity!!!

Bob : 2009-10-08 12:19

@ERIC
Looks like you guys are Siasia fanatics. The world is not static, its dynamic so things do not remain the same. Siasia's technical know-how may have worked for him last year but may not be relevant in this era. Now you said Bosso was sacked for non-performance. Now Sia1 has also goofed but why are you still asking for him to be retained. Amodu has not lost a match yet you guys want him sacked all becos you thot Sia1 can do better. We expected that Sia1 would prove his competence by transforming the players he had but he couldn't. He failed the test so if SE is your company will you give it to this coach.? Come on now. This players are raw materials and its up to the coach to make something out of them, yet he failed. It shows that SIASIA can only succeed only if he has the best of players but a good coach is one that makes super stars out of mediocrity. Siasia will be a disaster if appointed SE Coach. Why, becos for SE you will not need three months to train a team for a match but only 5 OR 6 DAYS [ All players coming from Europe]. Stop boring me with Sia having had only 3 months. Did he complain? No. He knew its possible to build a team even if its one month.Stop this Sia1 best local coach, best African coach, best this and best that...aaba. Even the Ghanaian coach who has taken his team [ with less preparations before the tournament ] to the quarter finals and doing well is even among the first 5 best coaches in Ghana. Nigerians should stop hyping mediocrity..that is why always get dissilisioned

chudi: 2009-10-08 12:21

i watched soccer africa yesterday
come and see the ghanaFF presido listing the criteria used to employ their current coach

1. must have coached a top side or country

2. proven track record

3. ready to work in harsh conditions including absence of electricity, and even road travel

4. ready to live in ghana

5. must be accomodated by their own financial budget.. etc

and guess what? they got one who has qualified them for SA2010

he was even openly stating how much money he gets as funding for the black stars
1.8 million dollars/ annually from glo
1.2million dollars/annually from one gold company etc. OPENLY!!!! nothing to hide! the way football should be managed.

nov: 2009-10-08 12:22

chudi: 2009-10-08 12:22

maybe NFF is cursed. remember the falcons, and the flamengos and even the fowls and turkeys?

Edna: 2009-10-08 12:28

ik@ nwafo ya gazie, its indeed nice to learn that we have people like you who can practically give a corresponding ****ysis to the gave at hand, ya gazie!!! let these mudder****ers leave we are tired, as far as I am concerned, there is no difference between Sisia and Bosso, d guy na EWU, since he failed to learn a pre lesson from Bosso's failure, nna na we get nija foot ball if them doubt am make we play tribal football, see who go win am

T,jay: 2009-10-08 12:28

i thank you all forumites for contributing for the development of our Nation.
the bulding of Nigeria is our collective responsibilty, if we dont criticise those in authority and those failing us, how will change take place in our dear country Nigeria. plz, our contribution is very importtant here. you can contact me on:
de_jrn@yahoo.com
+2348036262168.

Edna: 2009-10-08 12:36

dis guys just dey make me vesse see d place where we dey na so people dey wear their country's flag but who go wear naija flag here

stan: 2009-10-08 12:36

EDET PLAYED UNDER INJURY
UR CAPTAIN IGHALO SHOULDNT HAVE PLAYED 90MINS
UR ATTACKERS NOT FULLY SUPPORTING UR DEFENDERS IN ALL THE GAMES U PLAYED. THOSE PLAYERS ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THAT CHAMPIONSHIP UNDER A GOOD COACH.

lakeside: 2009-10-08 12:40

please forumites,Nobody should make excuse for SIASIA.he didnt just get it right in this tournament.right from his selections to his tactics during the tournament,all were wrong.he don **** for church,now its time for him to clean his mess.HE IS NOT THE MESSIAH OF NIGERIA FOOTBALL
@profy,based on everything,amodu has an edge.i am challenging siasia to leave the national team alone and go to a clubside and perform something.he was the coach of JUTHfc but he achieved nothing.
1)amodu once coach bbc lions to glory but on nigerian soil and african soil.
2)he was a great success with orlando pirates.he once rescued sharks of portharcourt back to premier league.
3)he qualified nigeria for the 2002 world cup when white coach then ran away >We all thot it was over then but he went to sudan and get a vital win and played his politics well with liberia who helped in beating ghana in accra.
4)Right now,its not yet over.its gonna go thru the wire.
Now tell me wat siasa has done great except taking us to finals we should have won but for his egoism with players.let me remind u.we lost the olympic gold becos of his decison to bench obasi for no reason that he had an arguement with him days b4 the match.that cost us badly
We all know under age competition in nigeria is easy to coach becos we always use overage players,siasia too did with the 2005 U20.
ITS TIME FOR HIM TO PROVE HIS WORTH SOMEWHERE ELSE>HE SHOULD LEAVE THE AGE GROUP COMPETION ALONE
Lakeside from France
Long live NIGERIA

Tim: 2009-10-08 12:43

What lessons have we learned from this? where do we go from here? We have an opportunity to start afresh!My submission will be to retain Siasia in the U20's to build afresh for 2011 and subsequently London 2012.The performance of this young old men called boys in this tourney may be the humbling pie Sia1 needs to swallow in order to see his blindspots as he is not immune to mistakes. To be world beaters you have to get it right the first time and always. I am sorry to say on this occasion we didn't by the flawed appointment of Bosso from the onset. Remember Siasia took a largely failing Finland 2003 U17 boys(Could not go past the first round)and turned them into world beaters in Netherlands 2005 and Beijing 2008.We can do it by starting to plan ahead and not the stop start approach of the NFF or the snail paced Kangaroo panel called the Technical committee.

Anthony: 2009-10-08 12:44

Some of you forumites wanted to kill emeka the other day bcos he criticized Siasia.I said it,the only difference between Siasia and Amodu is that one is ****ogue, while the other is digital,but they are all fools as far as coaching is concerned.But i still prefer Amodu,bcos he knows he doesnt know and doesnt boast.While Siasia an empty vessel makes the whole noise in the world.His pride and gambling traits has killed him,incase most you that still absolve him from blame doesnt know,he droped his best & most dependable defenders prior to this competition,KINGSLEY UDOH & NKUME for know fault of the players,he chosed to train in spain(winter) for a competition takin place Africa-Egypt(temprate),he went to egypt with just 2 defenders-all thse boys that played defence are all midfielders that he converted in this competition.He experimented in a competition.
My problem with Nigerians is that they judge based on their faces and not performance.T

Anthony: 2009-10-08 12:44

Profy: 2009-10-08 12:44

Germany (GER) Statistics Nigeria (NGA)
11 Shots 14
6 Shots on goal 5
3 Goals Scored 2
22 Fouls Committed 9
9 Fouls Suffered 21
3 Corner kicks 6
0 Free kicks Shots (scored) 1
0 / 0 Penalty Kicks (Goals/Shots) 0 / 0
3 Offsides 4
0 Own goals 0
3 Yellow cards 0
0 Second yellow card and red card 0
1 Red Cards 0
22 Actual playing time 30
43% Possession (%) 57%

Profy: 2009-10-08 12:46

Read this statistics of the match before throwing misiles at the coach otherwise i will regard is critics illiterates

ivanovic: 2009-10-08 12:55

Oh my naija brothers, all they had to do was to hold on and force the match into extra time as any mistake at that time could cost them the match but they played as if they were a goal down like an all or none situation. technical error. by a concerned fan .......ghana

Profy: 2009-10-08 12:56

someone (bob and co) said 3 months is ok to build a youth team compare to eagles that spend 5 days to train. U must be a big fool not to know the diference between Youth team and Senior National Team. Since u dont know let me educate you.
1. Youth team lack exposure so they must spend long time together and play couple of grade A friendlies while in SE Team we have players who has garnered enough experience over the years so they have exposure playing in big league already
2.Youth team are developmental while SE is not.
3. Youth team needs strong discipline mentality

SHOOTER : 2009-10-08 13:00

Bafana and Zambia may be the under dogs to NIGERIA but we play more intellegently football than them the only thing they beat us its power 'physically'.

Garvey: 2009-10-08 13:02

@Chudi and Hakeem - Can you tell us the true age of those players you mentioned in your chat?

Chijoke: 2009-10-08 13:03

Siasia did a great mistake in this line-up, he use EDET, when he know that Edet have an injury and our Captain lost in the game, Our boy's are lazzy in the field, they can not play two touch as we use to play before as NIGERIA, they always tund with ball and show skills, but at end, the same skills kill us again, Left full back, is minus one, and Sisia watch the first half and see where the problem is comming from and he keep on gamling,

Chijoke: 2009-10-08 13:06

we did not play as a team, that come to win, we always play as we are there for entertainment football, Brazil would have tear us apart if we win German, forget about Nigeria football, we need good governing body in Nigeria overall

Prof.: 2009-10-08 13:18

I hereby propose the following suggestions:

Taribo West, Sani Toro, Sunday Oliseh, Segun Odegbami, John Fashanu, Paul Bassey, Mitchel Obi for NFF board

Westerhorf, Siasia, Keshi, Rufai for Super Eagles
K. Ikhana, H. Nwosu, T. Oliha, I. Shorunmu for U-23 AND U-21
B. Iroha, JJ. Okocha, N. Ugbade, J. Dosu for U-17

Give them a 4 year period to develop from the scratch. No undue pressure to win at all cost, then, our football would blossom again!

charles: 2009-10-08 13:24

We will never get any where in football until we stop playing to the gallery and self advertisement. When a simple pass would do Nigerian players will want to beat 3 players before passing the ball. The Germany 3rd goal is a typical example of this.
The player had 2 players on his left he could have passed the ball he wanted to beat 2 German players. (Remember his guy is a defender).
German did not beat Nigeria in this match, but Nigeria lost. We had no business lossing this match. Siasia is a good coach,but I am afraid something is missing.

charles: 2009-10-08 13:43

This guy are not professionals. They are a bunch of entertainers who are all out there to advertise themselves rather than play for a ocmmon goal. No potential manager/scout will go for a player who would rather beat 3 players rather than pass the ball. The player who lost the ball for Germany's 3rd goal, should never play for nigeria again.

Detmolder: 2009-10-08 13:59

Ok maybe i have been a bit harsh...I suppose for someone barely literate Siasia did well for winning a game at the U-20 World Cup.

charles: 2009-10-08 14:01

The game showed the differences in the early emphasis young players get in Europe as compared to Africa. In Europe you learn, in the youth academies, to read a pass, make the best decisions while on the ball, mark, and play as a team, always to win. In Africa the young player typical learns on the streets to dribble and juggle the ball to be hailed in the neigbourhood as the best. Siasia and many youth coaches in Nigeria battle with trying to build the tactical side and discipline into these boys. Their success or failure in a big tournament is always a good measure of how well they have offered this "foreign" dimension to the players and how well the players incorporate these. This group did not succeed in moving from the neighbourhood street entertainers to a crack team with killer instincts. Sometimes the transition just does not work. Aluko should have played point, Ighalo should have been on the bench.

Chidi: 2009-10-08 14:14

This is the most tactically deficient i have ever seen, watching this game on Eurosport last nite the commentator was complaining about the coach taking too long to bring subs on and did not ask his defenders to stay back in the 92nd min of the game playing against 10men with the possibility of extra time to guard against counter attacks. All i can say is that the game was won by a more tactically astute coach and Siasia has shown dat he is not tactically sound and cannot react to situation as it develops.

sly1: 2009-10-08 14:41

Garvey and Chudi, you guys made a lot of sense. Our football needs total reorganization. If Ghana FA President can publicly mention how much funds they get from sponsors, it shows how transparent his administration is. LULU or MUMU and Ogunjobman are running our FA like 419 scammers. Or you guys have not noticed that Eagles do not play friendlies with countries that cant afford to pay them appearance fees. That is why we have to play France to prepare for Tunisia and we cant arrange a friendly with Zambia to prepare for Mozambique. That is why almost all the NFF members are in Egypt looking for estacode when they should be in Abuja preparing for a World Cup qualifier.

As for the Flying Eagles, they tried. Those calling for the coaches sack have nothing to worry about. He was only given the mandate to take the team to Egypt. Win or lose his term with this team is up.We should thank Sia 1 for his input into this team. That must account for the beauty of their game, but they still lack intelligence. I commented that these guys were fools. I was attacked for being so brash. Simple schoolboy errors cost us a Q-Final ticket. Against a ten man team, Germany came back twice and then BEAT US!!! Do we actually lack the capability to defend? In one half we conceeded 3 goals (and it could have been more) through mistakes.

The Cost of Defeat
Kingsley Udoh and Alex Nkume I apologise on behalf of soccer loving Nigerians. Trust that you should have been in this tournament if NFF had taken care of your visa issues. The coach had to set the exams only for the students who were in class on Exam day. NFF planlessness has finally succeeded in cutting their holiday to the pyramids short. Macauley, we missed you. Obiora N****WOR, you stood out in this team like a king. Haruna and Ighalo you may have woren the Green and White for the last time. As for our dear coach, I hope you learnt your lessons. GREAT MEN LEARN MORE FROM THEIR FAILURES THAN VICTORIES

S. Tudeme

Nwangwa: 2009-10-08 14:44

Hello forumites its a pity that Siasia could fails millions of sports loving Nigerians in Egypt lets bear this irrepiarable lose.

Siasia, i will not insult u for selecting failures as Nigeria representatives in U20 competition leaving behind good players who would have done us proud may God reward u accordingly

Siasia i will not insult you for rubbing the famous name of Nigeria in the mud by parading an unenterprising whipping boys to Egypt, it was the good players fate which you left behind that haunted you, i will not insult u for being discipline enough in selecting the worst players while other countries went with their best but you choose to select ur killer sqaud who were only good on the pages of newspapers and television sets before the competition.

Siasia for making Nigeria spent her money on those qatar and spanish tours od will reward u accordingly but at least this will teach u that pride goes before a fall.

Sanni Lulu and his assistance was the only FA Chairman i saw in Egypt in a bid to squander Nigeria's wealth while Kwesi Nyanteshie of Ghana is busy planning how to move Ghanas football forward, Lulu i will not insult you but for all this failures in your administration of NFF may Allah pay u back abundantly.

Emy

Ebimobowei: 2009-10-08 14:57

SOME VERY SIMPLE ISSUES FOR US TO PONDER ON
1. THE GERMAN TEAM HAS A COACH WHO HAD BN IN CHARGE FOR OVER TWO YEARS, HE TOOK THE TEAM TO LAST YEAR'S EUROPEAN U20 CHAMPIONSHIP.
2. THE GERMAN FA ALWAYS KNEW OF THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN CLUB AND COUNTRY SO ASSEMBLING A NEW CROP WAS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THEM; THEY HAVE A DATA BASE OF ALL YOUTH PLAYERS AND DUE TO THE SIMPLE FACT THAT MOST CLUBS IN EUROPE HAVE YOUTH TEAMS A COACH MAY NOT HAVE TO DO AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH FOR PLAYERS.
3. PLAYING IN RESERVE/YOUTH TEAM GAMES KEEPS EUROPEAN PLAYERS MATCH READY AND THE BOYS VIRTUALLY KNOW EACH OTHER BCOS THEY PLAY WITH OR AGAINST EACH OTHER REGULARLY.
4. LADAN BOSSO HAD ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE HIS BOYS BUT HE WASN'T SMART ENOUGH TO REALISE THAT CERTAIN OF THE PLAYERS HAD NO BUSINESS BN IN THE TEAM ANYMORE, A PLAYER MAY WIN A TOURNAMENT YESTERDAY BUT IF HIS HUNGER IS NOT THERE IN THE PRESENT SIMPLY FORGET HIM.
5. SIASIA INHERITED A DISJOINTED TEAM AND HE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO MAKE HIS INPUT PROPERLY, HE HAD TO MAKE DO BASED ON THE PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES.

zeel: 2009-10-08 15:06

The problem is not siasia or the guys, we just dont get it as a nation that its not about luck or us praying, God is not patial, its very simple we all get what we deserve in life, u put in the right work u get the right result, some of these countries prepare for years, but in Nigeria we name a coach weeks b4 a competetion and expect him to use his magic wand, well we need to wake up from our world of immagination, siasia and his boys and nigeria sports in geberal are all victims of a currrupt and disillutioned Nigerian government administrative style.

Sammy: 2009-10-08 15:16

I decided not to comment on many issues here since bcos of how some pple talk here but hav decided to break d silence bcos of this important issue. pls if u dont know sports esp football, keep quiet and dont just say anything u feel like though there is freedom of speech. This forum should be a place of constructive criticism geared toward a uniformed aim which is moving the game of football and others upward in mother Nigeria! Inasmuch as differences must exist, and sentiments always associated with the game, yet we should not allow it to becloud our senses. I am an ****nal fan and do not like Chelsea as a club but it will stupid of me to say that John Terry or our Didier Drogba are not great players. or begin to criticize Mikel bcos he is playing for a club that I dont support. Pls, let us comment wit facts andas well reasonablly as some actually do here also.

Babatunde: 2009-10-08 15:52

Just reflected over the match again. After the final whistle, whilst others were weeping their hearts out, Haruna who had just made the biggest mistake of his career by gifting the germans the very simple goal was shown on German TV just cooly sipping on his water with a cold expression on his face. Imagine this boy had just failed the nation and should have been the first to either crouch somewhere and hide his face.

Allah if I had my way in football administration, this boy will never wear the green and white jersey again in his life.

Chukwuemeka: 2009-10-08 15:52

Candidly, I wonder whether we actually have true football fans in Nigeria or simply irrational football spectators. Today, they are calling for the head of Siasia whom we all know is one of the best coaches we have in Nigeria, whereas before the tournament everyone spoke highly of him. Despite the result of this tournament Siasia remains a very good coach. Just like everyone, Siasia is human and all humans are prone to mistakes and he made a costly one in this tournament by leaving out key members of the late Yemi Tella tutored Under-17 squad out of this tournament. While acknowledging that no one is indispensable, common sense tells us that Under 20 is the next level to the senior team and as such experience counts. So to load this U-20 team with players who have not played international FIFA organized tournaments was an unnecessary risk. I knew that perhaps the poor showing of the team at Rwanda early in the year (African U-20 Tournament) might have influenced Siasia’s decision to tinker heavily with the team. However, it is common knowledge that what happened at Rwanda was the result of poor coaching. Isa Ladan Bosso (the former coach) is not in the same class with other youth coaches such as the late Tella, Fanny Amun, Samson Siasia. Therefore, Siasia could have retained the Under-17 team, with maybe a few changes. The wholesale changes he made with a few months to this tournament affected the team’s cohesion. I sincerely believe that he could have got the best from the former U-17 squad because the team had players of great talents such as Chrisantus Macaulay, Ganiyu Oseni, Kabiru Akinsola etc. whose goal scoring prowess could have even improved under Siasia, as it is obvious that the goal scoring inability of this U-20 squad unfortunately led to their crash. I read some comments that the team failed because Siasia was not shouting instructions from the sidelines. This is laughable indeed. If the instructions he gave at the dressing room when the players were listening attentively to him, could not make them perform, no amount of screaming from the sidelines could have saved the day. It is on record that there are many world-class coaches who rarely leave their seats during matches, yet their teams perform very well on regular basis. I therefore urge all the stakeholders in this beautiful game, to keep faith in Siasia and give him another chance to build the next Under-20 squad from the scratch, instead giving the job first to a mediocre coach only to revert to Siasia (to do miracles) when the harm has already been done.
Emeka Mbagwu

excel: 2009-10-08 15:55

one nigeria our what do u call urself,do u knw that ur the most stupid and foolish goat of all time,if u dont knw football kip quiet,na ur father be president when nigeria win u-17 2007?u be big fool.

excel: 2009-10-08 16:02

am chelsea fan but i like wenger for bringing up young talents, siasia is like wenger he picks a player frm no where and take u to some where, PEOPLE IN THE KON PLS DONT SAY RUBBISH COS SIASIA LOST IF U HV ANY COACH BETTER THAN HIM TAKE THE COACH TO NFF OK OR U MIND THE WAY U TALK BAD ABT UR OWN COUNTRY MAN

Ebuka Bora: 2009-10-08 16:03

@profy you are a great guy.
@Kojo and other sane Ghanaian forumnites, thanks for your brotherly comments/advice.
For the people who have refused to be constructive in their criticism/comments, may God help to change you. Again why will some people abuse a coach that has proven times without number that he is the best in Nigeria, 2nd in Africa and among the top 15 in the world (International coaches)? My hero/Idol, ****ne Wenger, has lost some important matches b4 and yet Madrid wanted him at all cost. Ferguson has made terrible mistakes in few matches b4 (including Champions league final match against Barca) yet he's among the best three in the world (all time best). Why don't we learn to be patriotic, criticise constructively and offer intelligent solutions? Nigeria is the only country that we have. We can are and will always be Nigerians. Things will get better some day. We need to be patient. Even if they don't get better we will keep trying. Nobody will do it for us. Can someone, among the groups of @stillo,@AllStars etc, answer this question - what is the biggest offence that will be committed by your mother that will make you kill her, hand her over to the Police or throw her into a den of lions?
God bless my country Nigeria.

Garvey: 2009-10-08 16:06

Thanks you Ebimobowei. You've said it all. Please leave all those ignorants who does'nt know anything about sport development. They will always want to win at all times even without proper preparation. The fact that Germany could present a good team inspite of all players who were not released by their clubside shows how football development is working in Germany. There is a lot to be learn in our loss to the Germans yesterday. The question is, have we ever learnt from our mistakes?

jameel: 2009-10-08 16:13

@GALLANTMAN,WHY ARE U BIAS ARE U TELL ME FULANI MAN IS NOT A NIGERIAN OR WHAT..I JUST THINK U RE A MAD PERSON, AND TO HELL WITH U AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH SHAGARI.. WYH CANT U BLAME THE KEEPER OR EVEN THE DEFENDERS FOR THE LOSE AND U RE BLAMING SHAGARI JUST BECAUSE HE IS A FULANI.

Ayomide: 2009-10-08 16:18

SIASIA AND ALL THE PLAYERS DID A MISTAKE THAT IS ALL. YOU CAN ****YISE IT FOR YOURSELF WHEN YOU STUDY THE GAME VERY WELL.

OG: 2009-10-08 16:32

Lets not give excuses for Siasia or kill him. What was his results in this tournament. 1 win as against 3 lost. All excuses will not change this result. He failed this time period. Is he a bad coach. NO. NO. Is he really the man for SE? NO.NO.NO. He is not tested on that level. He need more exposure and more technical training. I am sure he too will agree with me. Is he the best coach in 9ja....not sure.

ken gadaffi: 2009-10-08 17:38

Its a pity, where are those who were already talking of QF for the FE?
I am surprised that most of the comments here are blame being heaped on SIASIA.

Well, when some of us talk, people take it for granted but one thing is for sure, we dont just talk.

I said it long ago, Siasia made a big mistake for accepting the FE job. After taking the FE and Dream team IV to the height there was only one way for him and that is to move up to the SE.

Check it out, history is there for all to see, those who overstay there welcome end up worse off.

Whether Nigerians forgive him or not, history can never be erased.

Siasia, learn from this experience and pick your self up again.

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Brown: 2009-10-08 18:23

Bla,bla,bla,bla,bla! Fat ass, armchair ****ysts!! Y'all should shut the hell up! I know a few of you that thought Siasia was the "messiah" of Nigerian football. Your moronic criticism of him is...interesting. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's the best we've got. A coach ain't gonna play the game; the soccer players do. The fact is, prep time was short-lived and hasty. I expected the guys to have picked up their game before they met Germany. They did but, just like anyone would perform when they haven't studied adequately for a test, they failed when it mattered most. The good thing, though, is, they played pretty interesting football - but for the slack in defense. That is why I continue to believe that Siasia is good. The rhythm of their games were superb! Had the team got a 'lil more prep time to work out their lapses before the tournament, it would have been a different story.
But, hey, who the hell thinks Nigeria cannot lose any tournament or get knocked out at the knock-out stages? Great teams lose matches; get knocked out of intense competitions. It happens. Period! Get used to it folks!! I don't give a damn about the fact that they lost; I think they've done what they could considering the brevity of their preparation towards the tournament. What we need to complain about is the state of affairs at the Glass House. It's time to start expecting and getting some decent football -like Flying Eagles'- from the Super Eagles! Merit, not favoritism should determine who does what in Nigerian soccer. Get those fat pigs outa the football house. They may use the money they stole a few months ago to get themselves some good liposuction! Bull****!!

Olatunbosun: 2009-10-08 18:42

Let me start by appreciating people like @Emeka and @Profy who depite their rooting for Sia1, they genuinely pointed out where he would be faulted. I cannot but agree more with them so I won’t flog the issue of error here or there. Siasia needs to learn from those mistakes and move forward. The manner at which we were beaten was heart breaking knowing fully well that we had the game in our hand. Note that we had the game in our hand against Germany but yet our final ****ysis is that Sia1 and his team is bad.

It baffles me when we cloud ourselves and argue base on sentiments without applying breaks to our submission. Let me ask questions; who gave this same sia1 any chance of reaching Quater finals in Bejing? Have his enemies been waiting for him to fail? Didn’t we say before last year Olympics that for not having his best players he would fail woefully? Can you give me a name of an indigenous coach that has won laurels twice at two Fifa organized completions?

We clamour and praise Westerhof and 94 super eagles. We see them as our heroes, but didn’t they loose in the same manner we did yesterday? Go and check the substitutions made by Westerhof in the game against Italy.? Some are asking for bonfere Jo because he took us to Olympics Gold yet Sia1 that won a siver is totally bad. In the Olympics, outside Bonfere and Siasia, how many coaches have won laurels for us? In Under 21, outside 1988 and 2005 when have we won anything better than silver? I compare these two coaches not because they are not good but because I see similarities.

Scolari did not do well with Chelsea, ****ne wenger has not won medals in how many seasons, Juande Ramos was messing up with spurs, etc. Does that make them bad coaches. A coach has gone to two global competitions, did extremely well twice and lost out in one albeit to a German team. If we beat Germany yesterday, nobody would have said that the German coach is technically superior.

I said in my mail that we will not tell the truth and that is why the country is where it is. If we want a foreign coach, yes let us go for the best. But if we insist on indigenous coach, then no one can bulldoze his way to tell me that we have a better coach than Siasia or Keshi(NFA confirm this with their interview).

Nigeria will only progress if we will recruit the best during interviews. Even if we want a foreign coach, let the best be recruited. Let us be sincere in our ****ysis.

Lastly, I remember that some people said that if SIA1 fails in this tournament, we will turn our back on him. The news is that Sia1, I and I believe many Nigerians are behind you. Even if this particular tournament is seen as a failure, your game will always be something to look forward too. Until you stop updating yourself and working hard, I will continue to support you.

Whether Amodu is retained as super eagles coach or sia1 or a foreign coach or even Bosso is installed as SE coach, I will always support the Eagles cos I AM A NAIJA LIFE.

We will get there!!!

Law: 2009-10-08 18:45

Well said Qaddafi, But Siasia had just failed one of his greatest test, he will come back. Siasia is still a work in progress.

Law: 2009-10-08 18:51

Olat you want the name of the local coach that won a fifa laurel back to back Sab Brodericks Imasuen In China in '85 and Canada '87 Finalist.

Law: 2009-10-08 18:53

Well said Qaddafi, But Siasia had just failed one of his greatest test, he will come back. Siasia is still a work in progress.

Emmanuel: 2009-10-08 19:19

I think we should rally round to Support Siasia at this time. Let's remember that we've all sang the praise of this man in the past. We win some, we loose some. Siasia, press on further and improve. Simple.

Joyce: 2009-10-08 19:40

For christ sake.. some people should get a life, and stop insulting people u dont know! Get over it!! And focus on your own shiit! Imagene if it was u playing yesterday ! Would have loved to see y'all pii in your pants. And stop blaming the captain for the teams loss! IGHALO and HARUNA ARE THE NEXT ETO'O AND DROGBA, yo'all just wait and see.

Football is about lossing and winning sometimes u win nd other times u loose, life is a *****! Maybe it's all the juju crap going on in our country that brought us this "bad luck". Lord forgive us ooo. LMAO God bless yu all ! PEACE

ik: 2009-10-08 19:55

I PREDICTED A TOTAL HEARTBREAK FOR NIGERIANS DUE TO WHAT I KNOW WILL HAPPEN.

MOZAMBIQUE WILL SURE BE THE BIGGEST HEARTBREAK!!

Kayode: 2009-10-08 20:56

I begin to wonder when people say 3 months is too short a period to assemble a team. Who told you that you can have more than 1 week to have super eagles players together for every match unless you are going for a major tournament. My people, sentiments apart, Siasia messed up. Vogts could not beat a 10 man Ghana, how is Siasia different judging bby the result? Somebody said the team played well, I ask what wins a match? Is it playing well or scoring well? Even Siasia's fans should accept that this young patriotic Nigerian messed up and should try and buckle up for future.

collins: 2009-10-08 21:05

Yes die hard nigerian fans i said it after our opning match that this guys have been selected for the back doors of the NFF.but Siasia i blame you that you take the team and not turn your back and let nigerians that stand sholder to sholder and believe in you knows what is going in our youth team.what a shame to a man that will takeover of our super eagles, you have to set your belt or turn down if only you will work with the real people who knows the task not this faces that kill our football now.

collins: 2009-10-08 21:07

Polly: 2009-10-08 21:57

I was surprised that siasia even took up the job in the first place. The weakness of the team was too obvious that I did not not even bother to watch their three previous matches. The German game was their only game I watched and I regretted it. Another reason I do not bother so much about these age-grade competitions is that I know most of the players are over-aged anyway except for the few born in Europe like Aluko.

Ebimobowei: 2009-10-08 22:25

@emeka, i'm very sure you possibly have a Ph.D, but still working a graveyard shift as a security guard in europe. The half literate Siasia will always get on and succeed in life while your college educated, vile, weak and ignorant being will never be known even in ur place of work.
Win or lose, Sia1 has qualities of a modern coach and you can't take that away from him. You want him to kiss Mikel's ass because he plays for Chelsea? You want him to capitulate to boys who were still in their diapers when he was playing in the world cup? Is dat how you expect a coach to succeed? Football is a game of egos and if a manager does not have the ego to match his players' he is dead meat, go and ask Ferguson, Wenger, Advocaat aand co.
Footballers especially the gifted ones are always precocious brats and it takes a disciplined and strong-willed manager to turn these dirty rocks into gems. We have a problem with our players and it is traced to two key factors discipline and patience without these qualities the most skillful will simply become a statistic.

Ebimobowei: 2009-10-08 22:31

A lot of you have criticised Ighalo and to me it is unfair. The young man has a good work rate, was involved in every single play, but I think wearing that captain band seems to have put too much pressure on his shoulders and he felt he had to be everywhere rather than concentrating on his natural ability as a striker. I believe he has a future in the national team (U23 and probably the Suoer Eagles) especially as a supporting striker.

Ebimobowei: 2009-10-08 22:34

Bob : 2009-10-08 22:46

If Siasia is the best coach in Nigeria today, then am sorry there is no future for Nigerian football....
Even Black Satellites Coach, Sly Tetteh who is doing better, will not qualify even as the 5th best coach in Ghana.
Over-rating and glorifying mediocrity is killing Naija futball

Edna: 2009-10-08 23:44

NFF are professional criminals, they are only good when it comes to stealing moneis meant for the development of Nigerian football.

Edna: 2009-10-08 23:45

NFF are professional criminals, they are only good when it comes to stealing monies meant for the development of Nigerian football while Yarah is there with im bad luck

Flex: 2009-10-09 00:05

@ Lakeside abi na Waterside: U can not compare siasia's Record with Amodu's.What has Amodu won globally? NOTHING. Sisia is a winner of two silver medals in two diff. global compitition while Amodu can only boast of a Continental Bronze (ANC) and CAF Cup. Wetin again...... He even took Sharks football club to relegation. Bros, their achievements are there 4 us to see. I rest my case

Vincent iyaniyi : 2009-10-09 02:11

Why wont d flying eagles crash out?They played without technical&tactical know how.What a disgrace.

ken gadaffi: 2009-10-09 05:14

The Truth of the matter is that the FE team was not good enough in this tournament. Whether its the fault of the players or the coach is open for debate but will certainly not change anything now. As usual the NFF will go back to the drawing board.......

Once again I want to call for a referendum to look into Nigeria's problem at large not only our football.
Many have suggested a change in the name or possibly to divide that country into different nation. I wouldnt say NIGERIA is jinxed or cursed but recent events obviously points to that direction.

At 49 we are still crawling and many other African nations are already running past the so called Giant of Africa.

God save our dear country

Spare some time to look at this article on plights of Nigerians abroad just because of the name NIGERIA.
http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/who-are-the-africans-in-cambodia-saturday-20-6-2009/

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bob: 2009-10-09 11:13

@ every1 dat has posted a comment on this discuss. Let's not forget that every one has his own moment and God is just to every1. It's not Nigeria's moment now, but we had ours and should have other(s) gr8 moments of sports in the future. I think what we should try and do is to get God Fatherism, ethnicity and regional bias out of our sports management. Only that can allow good governance to be established in the sport ministry for better results. What do u guys say about this years Atheletics World championship that took place in Germany, Nigeria won nothing, not even a single bronze. Did anyone cared? no! so why are we so crazy with Siasia? Common!!! let's get over it and enjoy our lives with the hope for future winning. cheers my guys

Festus: 2009-10-09 11:46

see, the truth remains that sia1 messed up this time around an is not yet right for the senior team. Nobody should blame the NFF bcos we have neva had good soccer administration since the late 80's. All d coaches that have worked with our teams have succeeded or failed on thier own voilition. Some say 3 months was not enough to prepare 4 Egypt, Bonfrere jo joined the Atlanta 96 squad less than a month to the olympics. If 3 months was not enough, 2 build a new team, why discard the team that went to rwanda.
We overrate sia1 as if he is a magician. AS if he is so good that He can will anymatch, so far he is on the bench. He is still learning. He cant handle SE yet. If he cannot control the likes of haruna and these small boys, how can he control yobo, Mikel, Olofin, Kanu and the big and more established players.

He lost simply due to pride
He tought he had arrived, simply bcos people hail im too much
Even wen he was making a mistake, people were hailing him. It was only @Mike 1 that spoke out

Imagine he left Udoh, Nkume, Edile, for no reson and went with just 2 defenders, edet and adejo. The rest were midfielders he converted 2 defence.

I am not anti siasia, infact I am an advocate of former players taking over as coaches, but he is still too young to be SE coach. He is still inexperienced
People think he is a magician. Some were even saying he should take us to nations cup. Nations cup is in 3 months. if FE failed with 3 months preparation, SE can also fail.

The coach of Ghana team has been coaching since 4 years ago, starting with the U17. he wins a medal in every tournament, in african and world level, till now, and i am sure he will still win in this one too, yet, nobody in ghana is calling him the best,nobody is saying that he sholud take over the national team.

This whole thing is paining me seriously bcos,those boys were very anoying through out the tournament, from defence to attack.

If udoh, Nkume, Edile, Oseni, Akinsola,and Uchebo had been in this tournament, we would not have performed this badly

We palyed aginst 9men, strikers could not score

we played against 10 men, they still could not score and the defence conceded 2 goals.

I was really ashamed.
The simple truth is that Siasia should now humble himself and begin to thread softly and stop boasting and thinking he has arrived, he still has a whole lot to learn, like not discarding a whole team with few weeks to a competition and bringing in new ones.

Olugbenga: 2009-10-09 11:48

No matter what anyone might say or any level of name calling and sentiments expressed, SiaSia must take full responsibilities for the shambles witnessed in Egypt.

While that performance will not in anyway define his career as a coach, it has however shown that he still has a lot to learn technically and tactically as a coach. A good coach prepares his team and take decisions both anticipatorily and reactively.

I met the game around 33rd minute of the first half and by half time i told people with me that Nigeria had not learnt any lesson from their past matches against Venezuela and Spain where you believe holding possesion in midfield wins matches,rather creating goals and taking chances.

Take another look at the third goal and you'll see the level the team and technical bench lack the basic understanding of football. You went for a corner kick and the whole defense went upfield leaving only the DM to cover the whole field. Guys, the Germans realised that and kept two fast players on the edge of their 18 box for counter attack. Please dont tell me that the players were at fault for that, cos that wasnt the first time they did taht in the competition, if you doubt, check the two attempts Tahiti had against Nigeria and you'll see what caused it.

Way forward:

1. Nigeria needs a football policy

2. Discard the idea of using over-age players in a developmental competition. That is why most of the player taht won u-17 in 2007 couldnt make this team and it has always been like that for every level of our football.

3. Judge every stakeholder equally. Dont make excuses for SiaSia that he had 3 months to prepare a team. That was Bosso's situation in 2007 remember.

4. The only World cup is the senior World cup, every age grade competition is developmental and that is why Xavi will never tell you that he ever won the world cup.

5. We need to realise that players have their individual developmental curves hence, you dont use a player's development to judge another one. Examples abound....Keita, Ikedia and Gabri were the three best palyers at Nigeria 99 but as at today, none of them can tie Xavi's shoe lace. Like wise, Promise, Mikel and Taiwo were rated better than Fabregas at Holland 2005, but as at today the story is different.

I know that i am subject to various forms of abuse from some people on this forum for this contribution, but remember that you can only be recognised by the tone of your contribution and your language shows whom you are.

Olugbenga: 2009-10-09 11:48

Shijo: 2009-10-09 12:05

I cannot believe how fickle and narrowminded many people are in this forum. Siasia CANNOT be blamed for the loss. Why did Uchechi not score when he only had the keeper to beat in the dying minute? Why was Haruna attempting to dribble, when there were 7 players in the box waiting for him to cross to them?

To those who talk about tactical deficiency, they are the ones who do not know what tactical deficiency is. The team was tactically sound, only profligate in finishing, which comes right down to the players.

As for those comparing Amodu to Siasia, don't just go there, at all. There is no basis for comparison. Better to keep your silence than to exhibit crass ignorance, with such stupid comments and ****ogies.

Siasia should be handed the SE job immediately after Amodu finishes with the final 2 matches, period!!!

Uche: 2009-10-09 14:51

i actually did not know what happened to those guys but siasia still number one Nigeria Coach.

Some said that amodu have never lost, had it been that the referee did not disallow Mozambique goal against Nigeria you guys would have known that amodu is not a coach, and he is just playing qualifier talk less the real tournament when he will meet other tough countries.

Please the problem is not siasia but the players.

xtopher: 2009-10-09 17:57

Sia Sia is not a good coach cos a good coach wouldn't have allowed the whole players to go for that corner kick with the aim of scoring considering our advantage in number. They have the whole second half to get Germany packing out of African soil but they all f**kd up. He would have defended to allow the game progress into extra time and then we will finish them. Well I was never expecting them to qulify from the group stage

OUSCA 2007: 2009-10-10 16:50

Bob : 2009-10-08 07:54...all that trash, you were spewing... balderdash!!! your comments and others like yourself lack idea,etiquette,quorum,logic and are devoid of any objective feedback to the problems besetting Nigerian football. football is not as easy as you can play it from the comfort of your arm-chairs, agreed the coach has still exhibited tactical naivety in the areas of playing to run down the clock, playing with player advantage / disadvantage, and ensuring he had STRIKERS that could score... having said this, you must realise that for an individual to excel to silver medal position in two world level competitions irrespective of your baseless accusations on age discrepancies and the likes, you will agree is no mean feat. He {Siasia} was adjudged the second best technical coach/manager at the Olympics football tournament and 3rd best at the WYC previously... they {FIFA/IOC} DO NOT HAND OUT RECOGNITION THAT IS NOT EARNED... i.e YOU DON'T EXHIBIT IT YOU, DON'T GET IT!!!
as someone was kind enough to paste a link to MR Segun Odegbami's article, I suggest you go and read it... and then calm down, re-watch all the matches then make your comments... all right.... NIGERIA WILL RETURN, LONG LIVE NIGERIA, LONG LIVE THE EAGLES TEAMS....

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