The road forward for Bafana

Posted: 6 February 2013 Time: 11:05 am

Safa president Kirsten Nematandani’s revelation earlier this week that Bafana Bafana coach Gordon Igesund is set for a new long-term contract was both unexpected and encouraging.

The surprise is that football’s governing body saw fit to start discussing a new deal for Igesund despite his failure to achieve his Africa Cup of Nations mandate – to reach the semi-finals.

As encouraging as this is, it is also nothing short of shocking. It is very unlike Safa to look beyond the next tournament, so murmurs about a contract up until the 2018 World Cup in Russia must be taken with a pinch of salt. Sort of an ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’ vibe …

But if this is indeed the case, I will reserve some rare praise for Nematandani and his cronies. They hardly ever fail to disappoint me, so here is an opportunity to put their considerable sums of cash where their mouth is and back the coach long term.

This will be a good time to point out that I have no sense of loyalty to Igesund. He is a nice enough guy and usually very courteous, and his record in the PSL is second to none. He IS the country’s most successful coach.

But I would have given this long-term backing to whoever was in charge, be it Gavin Hunt, Steve Komphela … hell, even Jomo Sono.

I just think it’s time we invest properly and create a ‘Bafana identity’ again. Safa messed up the chance to build on our 1996 Nations Cup success and the result was years and years of chopping and changing, different coaches bringing different styles, and trying a multitude of different players.

When Igesund got the job, I suggested that instead of his tough Nations Cup mandate and ridiculous 2014 World Cup one, they charge him with building a team for the 2018 World Cup.

Let’s be honest … telling Igesund he must qualify us for the 2014 World Cup is grossly unfair. His predecessor’s failings means he immediately starts the qualifiers on the back foot, with Bafana having already dropped four points in just two matches.

So as much as I would love to see our boys fly the flag in Brazil next year, I am also a realist.

My suggestion, understandably a controversial one, is to use all Bafana matches in the next two years to start creating a team which will reach its peak in 2018.

Dispense immediately with the likes of Siphiwe Tshabalala, Katlego Mphela, Lerato Chabangu, Kagisho Dikgacoi and Reneilwe Letsholonyane. They have served their country well, but will be too old by the time the Russian World Cup comes around.

Even Siyabonga Sangweni, as well as he did at the Nations Cup, will be 36 by then – too old to be a part of the plan.

Install Itumeleng Khune as captain for the next few years and expose our best young players to international football as often as you can. From the current Nations Cup squad I would retain guys like Tokelo Rantie, May Mahlangu, Tsepo Masilela, Oupa Manyisa, Dean Furman, Anele Ngcongca and Thulani Serero.

Then have another look at guys like Tefu Mashamaite and Punch Masenamela, who was injured for this Nations Cup, and start nurturing the talents such as Ronwen Williams, Daylon Claasen, Dino Ndlovu, Ayanda Patosi, Mulomowandau Mathoho, Darren Keet, George Lebese, Sifiso Myeni, Siyanda Xulu and Kermit Erasmus, and get someone like Andile Jali’s head right and make him understand that he is the future of this Bafana team – if he can concentrate solely on his football and leave off-the-field nonsense behind.

Of course this is a lot easier said than done. Players will get injured and lose form, but if we can identify a pool of top young talent and get them to buy into this plan, we will have enough time to develop a group of players that will be capable of stepping up.

I also understand that not all supporters will back such an idea. Many of them demand immediate results and when those are not forthcoming the pressure gets heaped onto the players and coach, and soon enough Safa get forced into making decisions to appease unhappy fans.

But let’s be realistic here. Despite the feel-good factor after Bafana’s quarter-final showing at the Nations Cup, the harsh fact is that we only managed one win in four matches during the tournament – and that on home soil.

Sure, we didn’t lose a match, conceded just three goals and showed great fighting spirit throughout, but Bafana are a million miles from being world beaters. That takes many years of planning, heartache and sacrifice – just ask the France side of the turn of the century.

After the highs of winning the 1984 European Championships under Michel Platini, the team failed to qualify for both the 1990 and 1994 World Cups, and suffered elimination – as defending champions – in the group stages at Euro ’88. But they took stock, rebuilt, won the World Cup in 1998 and dominated world football for years thereafter.

It will take a long time to transform Bafana from supposed ‘sleeping giants’ into a team capable of challenging the world’s best, but then again we have five years before the planet’s top teams descend on Russia.

We have the infrastructure, facilities and enough promising young talent to ensure we are counted among the best come 2018.

Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact. I’m typing this on a plane en route to Durban for the Nations Cup semi-final. I hope, in five years’ time, to type another feature like this on my way to Moscow, entitled ‘I told you so’.

Do you agree with my plan? Let me know on Twitter @KickOffCooper

Article by: Ryan Cooper

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Previous comments on this story...

GinoFeelo Balotelli
posted: 11:10 am
In Gordon We Trust....*hands off umlungu wethu*
Phefeni Glamour Girl
posted: 11:17 am
lol death by "Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’"
Dj Lumeh (Treble Dj...)
posted: 11:17 am
GI again you must be kidding right? Atleast i have my pirates whom when i demand they produce not this nonsense that has been promising since the confed cup?
Gucci Man
posted: 11:18 am
GI is our coach , finish and klaar
I can't wait to read all the comments from the ZambianPirates Frogs .
What I enjoy is the fact that bazokhonkotha for the next 5 yrs , I like that.

5yrs khonkothing ..............haha ha ha ha
Dj Lumeh (Treble Dj...)
posted: 11:19 am
Now there is Phemfene Girl haha great couples from the same ZOO
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:19 am
Wow..! I doubt if Gordon can do that but at least this time Ryan Cooper make some sense..!!
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:22 am
Gucci Man

posted: 11:18 am | Report

GI is our coach , finish and klaar
I can't wait to read all the comments from the ZambianPirates Frogs .
What I enjoy is the fact that bazokhonkotha for the next 5 yrs , I like that.

5yrs khonkothing ..............haha ha ha ha
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We are not really bothered by this failing machine..! We have the winning machine ,,, Pirates..!!!
De Bruin!!!
posted: 11:23 am
kakakakaka sure COWditor, for once you talking sense and it's so unlike you!!
I got what you saying mam.
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:24 am
I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!
Football Fanatic
posted: 11:25 am
I like your plan dude, hope Gordon will divorce his "madala"trust and start building without fear nor favour.Bafana Bafana all the way!
brisco
posted: 11:27 am
Get rid of bongane khumalo sangweni shabba Yeye mphela gaxa and other players over the age of 26 yrs and start groomining younger players for the futures
Dj Lumeh (Treble Dj...)
posted: 11:29 am
GI will fail his mandate again watch the space, he will fail to qualify for 2014 brazil, 2015 afcon, 2017 afcon and his biggest 2018 world cup hence he will overcome his good record and become the most successfull fail in the history of SA football since the CV Coach (Chef) is from UK.
AYIKHO LENTO
msenti15
posted: 11:29 am
and how old is CHABANGU and cow Masilela by the way ?
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:30 am
Gordon believes on abomadala he is not gonna introduce any youngsters..! We know him very well because we chased him out of our team and " Yeah" we are proud of it.!!

We don't need skop 'n donder football or javelin soccer..!!
brisco
posted: 11:31 am
Msenti I do blv u r a grown man so u can b better than that
Mbuzi
posted: 11:32 am
CowEditor you are drunk! Go home!
DTC Spiritual Owner AKA Jomo Sono
posted: 11:32 am
Thanks Ryan Cooper. Interligent, focused, sustianable and viable long term strategy. The team must be build around

Kune ( keeper)
Mathoho ( defense)
Andile ( Midlifield)
Rantie ( Strikers)

Also go to the countryside to look for tall and phyical players like Ramagalela, Bacela, Koza ( Leapard). Generally Gauteng players are not tall and that can be limiting. if we have short players they must have expectional talent.
TLP
posted: 11:33 am
Spot On Ryan,
But for the upcoming WC qualifiers players like Mathoho and Jali must be part of the team,
eople tend to forget even the core of the 96 ACN winning team were once called 4*4 but Clive stood his ground and maintained the core of that team,and incorporated guys like Fish,Mkhalele,Bartlett,Tinkler,Linda into the system,the rest like Neil Tovey,Sizwe,David Nyathi,Dr K,Masinga,Mark Williams,Rhoo, were part of the o so called 4*4 teams,

K 4 L,,,,,,,,,
Super Green
posted: 11:34 am
Is Gordon also Jewish, cooper?
Chasing That 2nd Star...
posted: 11:36 am
The sooner GI gets rid of all the players who were born in -1985 the better. His players should be born in 1986; 87; 88 etc.
*Once and Always
posted: 11:37 am
Future looks bright for Bafana Bafana: Ronwen Williams, Darren Keet, Eric Mathoho, Thulani Hlatshwayo Daylon Claasen, Dino Ndlovu, Ayanda Patosi, Kagiso Senamela( AmaZulu), George Lebese, Sifiso Myeni, Siyanda Xulu, Kermit Erasmus, Keagan Dolly Thamsanqa Teyise ( AmaZulu) Asive Langwe, Bhongolwethu Jayiya, Andile Jali, Itumeleng Khune.
Mr Henry
posted: 11:37 am
Lol death by "Cowditor is high". But good piece man.
@101
posted: 11:38 am
Its true looking at next World cup is unfair cause Gordon ' Mamas love ' Igesund must be given time like Pitso to stamp his authority and what he can do,we all know what he can do in club level let's see what he can do when he is spoiled for choice
KingMay
posted: 11:40 am
I wonder if Masilela will be there considering he is injury prone.

Mr. Cooper you are really high.
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:42 am
Itumeleng Khune as captain for the next few years
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This must be some joke, Khune have no captaincy capabilities..!!
BHACAJUJU IN FULL SWING!!!
posted: 11:43 am
Akakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak lolest lmao am with you phefeni boy on dat one dis editor killed me to death with his fluently words....editor at its best....bt u 4gort to mantion dat one u will type anoder story wen u are heading wembly stadium...I cnt wait to hear that...
R Mugabe
posted: 11:45 am
Well cooked analysis, I totally agree with you Ryan. seeing bafana being elimanated from AFCON 2013 hurt a lot, not that I was expecting them to win the cup. After 1996 success, we have been subjected to a lot of pain by our beloved team (no wonder Pirates supporters pretended to have udying love for Zambia - for non-lasting moment ofcourse). right now lets look beyond 2014, and let Gordon lead us. im sure it cant get any worse than wat we have been through.
Mr T Wa Champ
posted: 11:45 am
Nice one Mr. Cooper
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 11:47 am
People say Gordon is a good coach,, No,,! He is not,, but he is a good motivator..! His tactics sucks big time..!! He is such an old school type of coach..!!
ramoss
posted: 11:48 am
If SAFA had master minds such as Mr cooper,we wer going to Moscow,Twice in 2018..cos we'd have won AFCON 2017 nd qualified for the big one World cup..it is easier said than done ofcos..bt who r we Mr cooper?

lets see wt the SUITE decide and support it
Dj Lumeh (Treble Dj...)
posted: 11:50 am
Fact: most of the ministers watch teen po*n movies while free in the office.
#source 24news.com#
i guess they masturbate after that, then quickly return to the meetings since lunch runs for 1hour while they are still dizzy then come out with useless ideas including match fixing and im sure this uglyness nemamthondoni is behind everything. Ai ai GI till 2018 is a joke, while you're playing with yourself stop talking kak on ANDILE mhlekazi JALI you uglyness morons
Senwabarwana
posted: 11:52 am
Cowditror,stop being biased,,,dnt tel GI wich players must be selected,,,u ar an editor not a selector
Koool
posted: 11:52 am
ingesend wont last beyon 12 months, we all know safa...for now this chicken must give other young players a chance and stop punishing players because of what happened to him at those clubs when he used to coach them, he must be open minded if he want to succeed...we want players who have a winning mentality who knows how to win things(Spain use mostly Barca & Madrid players because those players have won championships and knows what it takes to be a champion, Germany is a powerhouse cos of Baryern Munich & Liverkurzen...examples are there). RSA clubs must dominate african competitions for that winning mentality to rub off at national level!!
SDO-WAALIKHOOSI
posted: 11:54 am
Mayfair's Number #1 Ratposted: 11:36 am | Report The sooner GI gets rid of all the players who were born in -1985 the better. His players should be born in 1986; 87; 88 etc.
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so u mean we should get rid of sangweni?
Happy Person
posted: 11:56 am
With your team selection you are Going nowhere Slowly, Mr Cowrdon.
*Once and Always
posted: 11:59 am
Agree with Ryan its bye time for shaba KG and Yeye...Mphela i think can still do it for Bafana. It wont be fair to judge him now after he just come back from a long injury however Parker, Rantie and Majoro will take his place if he doesn't pull up his socks
Gucci Man
posted: 11:59 am
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 11:22 am | Report

Gucci Man

posted: 11:18 am | Report

GI is our coach , finish and klaar
I can't wait to read all the comments from the ZambianPirates Frogs .
What I enjoy is the fact that bazokhonkotha for the next 5 yrs , I like that.

5yrs khonkothing ..............haha ha ha ha
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We are not really bothered by this failing machine..! We have the winning machine ,,, Pirates..!!!
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What have you achieved since the season started ?
Nothing , zero achievement .....mara you talk about winning machine .
These substances(Nyaope,Glue and Benzine) are not good for you bhutiza.....
Liesbeeck
posted: 11:59 am
"..get someone like Andile Jali’s head right and make him understand that he is the future of this Bafana team – if he can concentrate solely on his football and leave off-the-field nonsense behind." Ryan Cooper

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Have Jali`s overall performances since he joined Pirates suggested that he hasnt concentrated solely on his football but busy with off-the-field nonsense? Which player (of same age as Jali) in the last 3yrs has joined and instantly played for a big team in SA and contributed immensely to his team winning 6 cups (including league titles) in less than 3 seasons in the elite domestic league ? Even Serero spent yrs huffing n puffing at ajax snr team prior shining , and is still huffing n puffing in the national team to this day while gradually establishing himself in Europe, meanwhile Jali made impact immediately playing like a seasoned professional in the national colours.

I dont mean to suggest that Jali is perfect & a star as I believe his game is still developing, but I fail to understand what is it that he has done to prove his so called bad attitude. He has never been reported to be late at training at Pirates or fighting with his teammates, etc, even at Bafana he has gone about the job making impact when given a chance.

Let me emphasise that my views in this issue have got nothing to do with team affiliation but everything to do with being a South African football fanatic whose desire is to see talented players being guided than unfairly victimised for absolutely no reason.
El Sol
posted: 11:59 am
SQUAD TO BUILD ON:

GK's: Itu Khune,Ron Williams,Darren Keet &Senzo Meyiwa.

DEFENDERS: Morgan Gould,Eric Mathoho,Syanda Xulu,Kamo Mokotjo,Sya Sangweni,Happy Jele, Tsepo Masilela,Anele Ngcongca,Thabo Matlaba,Punch Masenamela &Marc van Heerden.

MIDFIELDERS: Dean Furman,May Mahlangu,Andile Jali,Hlompo Kekana,George Maluleka,Daylon Classeen,Ayanda Patosi,Thulani Serero,Sfiso Myeni &Reneilwe.
STRIKERS: Kermit Erusmus,Davide Somma,Tokelo Rantie, Lehlohonolo Major,Benard Parker &Dino Ndlovu.

Shaba,Manyisa,Modise,Mphela,Gaxa,Dickagoi &Chabangu YOU guys are talented but I'm sorry to say there's nothing you can offer Bafana*2 @ this moment &time, club football awaits..
msenti15
posted: 11:59 am
@BRISCO posted:
Msenti I do blv u r a grown man so u can b better than that
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@brisco forgive me bru but it's irretaiting that every they talk about Jali's exclusion in the national team they talk about his discipline which has got nothing to do with him playing on the field because he delivers when he get a chance there is a long list of top players who have problem with discipline

1. ROONEY
2.JOHN TERRY
3. BENNI
4. BALLOTELLI
5. HARZARD
6.GATTUSO

so why Jali is being punished because he plays for pirates ? Jabu Pule played for bafana , Naughty Mokeona played for bafana? so WTF
El Kampion
posted: 12:00 pm
5 year contract will be too long....Nemathandaninidunu can never be taken serious after been accused of match fixing...or he will fix all games till 2018?

SAFA will be running at a loss financially as they have been doing in their previous coaches who were fired before the end of their respective contracts

Santana and Pitso are a prime example,they were both given long term contracts and look at how did that pen out.

Gordon already failed on his first mandate, why not wait and see how he does for 2014 WC qualifiers and then take it from there?

5 years might be euivalent to 5 months and then he will be fired and then he will join the quee at CCMA

This 2018 contract story doesn't come from SAFA, it comes from Razmataz....I bet on Khaphela and Swetys's graves
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:01 pm
and get someone like Andile Jali’s head right and make him understand that he is the future of this Bafana team – if he can concentrate solely on his football and leave off-the-field nonsense behind.
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they were praising you, now they gonna swear you
KC is National Defence Force
posted: 12:01 pm
Some of these 'youngsters' mentioned will fall off the rails veeery soon...

We just dont have enough pool of world class players to compete internationally
pacalisa
posted: 12:01 pm
Not GI please Mr editor
El Kampion
posted: 12:01 pm
equivalent to
BHACAJUJU IN FULL SWING!!!
posted: 12:01 pm
I am die hard pirates fan....bt hey wena pirates supporters pls stop insulting our nationa couch phela he is 10000000000 miles ahead dan our couch RDS....am gonna back up my statements with fact...#Bucs players makes RDS looks gud bt he is not a good coach cz I hv seen many times wen it comes to substitution,he awlys failed...its just dat he has a solid and wining squad like barcelona...der's nothing special abt RDS...I know u will insult me left and ryt but "truth be told"....in GI der's a hope...
The Dalai Lama
posted: 12:02 pm
Spot on Ryan,you can add Themba zwane,jabulani Shongwe,Ramahlwe Mphahlele,Kamohelo Mokokjo,George Maluleke,Thami Sangweni and Kgosi Nthle into the mix provided they stay active.
Frank White (The Khosi Extremist )
posted: 12:02 pm
may the lord praise the editor with a prosperous life ahead. I fully agree with u sir unlike 80 percent of pap & custard FC moegoes like KING ,MAMINAzela (whos hit single ''zambia's national anthem ''is selling like hot cakes),Matt, Champ of all retards etc. Oupa manyisa im not sure cos his age myt not be his real one. He looks 28 to me . Anyway , SAFA needs to ignore these pap and custard FC morons who are crying for that traitor and necklace thief zandile jali and keep gordon in his job. If hes gone ,who do we hire?? Dont get smart and say shakes mashaba cos hel be too old by 2018 and beyond. going forward from now on, shabba,KG,Yeye,gaxa,sangweni need to replaced by patosi,mokotjo,masalesa (ooops forgot pie lerete are destroying him as speak the same way they destroyed ndulula),abel mabaso of sunclowns and siyanda xulu.
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:02 pm
Install Itumeleng Khune as captain
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 12:02 pm
Gordon should continue coaching Bafana for another 10 or 20 years from now because we don't have any suitable replacement at the moment, not that we think he can do anything better..!
The team can't play without a coach..!!
VinnoDi
posted: 12:02 pm
That will be a good idea. Because really I don't see us qualify for the world cup in Brazil. Even if we pass through our group, we will falter when we meet strong teams. Its a good that SAFA has woken up. And now our teams must make plans to forge partnerships with big teams in Europe so that they can share their knowledge about how to develop youngsters in really good players. And to expose our youngsters to top methods used by great teams.
msenti15
posted: 12:03 pm
Hey i miss swetys (may his soul rest in peace) and where is godfrey ?
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:04 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 11:24 am | Report

I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!
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then why y=the hell are you reading and commenting on BB news then? and who asked you anyway?
Koool
posted: 12:05 pm
hlokoloza open mine khune is a good keeper but not captain material...Dean Iceman Furman for Captain...the following players are future bafana players : George Lebese, Thabo Matlaba, Sfiso Myeni, Darren Keet, Daylon Claason, Happy Jele, Siyanda Xulu, Kermit Erasmus, Andile Jali, Asive Langwe, Keagan Dolly, Ronwen Williams, Patosi, Punch Masenamela, Nanana, Julies the list is endless...but i can bet my house, businesses and cars ingesende wont be head coach beyond 12 months!!!
BeeMa
posted: 12:05 pm
lol... Mr Cooper you killed me with this statement:

"Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact. I’m typing this on a plane en route to Durban for the Nations Cup semi-final."

Thatha Mr Cooper..

Khosi Today, Tomorrow and Always
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 12:05 pm
This article is rubbish!!!! there is no way forward here, its a way backward!! Masilela is the future, Ryan is a joke!!!
Koool
posted: 12:05 pm
hlokoloza open mine khune is a good keeper but not captain material...Dean Iceman Furman for Captain...the following players are future bafana players : George Lebese, Thabo Matlaba, Sfiso Myeni, Darren Keet, Daylon Claason, Happy Jele, Siyanda Xulu, Kermit Erasmus, Andile Jali, Asive Langwe, Keagan Dolly, Ronwen Williams, Patosi, Punch Masenamela, Nanana, Julies the list is endless...but i can bet my house, businesses and cars ingesende wont be head coach beyond 12 months!!!
Anonymous
posted: 12:06 pm
The 96 Afcon winners was 93% Jomo (Cosmos) players. He should be given the mandate to groom players for 2018 and be paid for that. Forget 2014 (Brazil) . Khune cant lead a national team. Doesnt have leadership skills but is a good player though. Finally GI was given a mandate (semis) and failed dismally. Almost all Afcon coaches woh failed to reach the semis will get the boot !
Liesbeeck
posted: 12:07 pm
"..get someone like Andile Jali’s head right and make him understand that he is the future of this Bafana team – if he can concentrate solely on his football and leave off-the-field nonsense behind." Ryan Cooper
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You dont need to do anything with Jali but just put him on the field and he will do exactly what you want him to do. Krol did it, Leal did it, Palacious did it, and he contributed immensely to the cups they won. RDS has just joined Bucs and he did exactly what his predecessors did.

Its worth noting that fans tend to compare (and somewhat use as benchmark) Jali with every central midfielder that seems to 'make headlines' , it was the same with Tinashe/Yeye, then Pattison, then Lucky Baloyi...now the comparison is with Dean Furman....I dont know who is next ?...when GI was about to select his 23-man squad someone said for the sake of the future KG should make way for Jali, and his views were met with roars. Now Ryan is taking the same 'futuristic' route
El Kampion
posted: 12:08 pm
The Dalai Lamaposted: 12:02 pm | Report
Spot on Ryan,you can add Themba zwane,jabulani Shongwe,Ramahlwe Mphahlele,Kamohelo Mokokjo,George Maluleke,Thami Sangweni and Kgosi Nthle into the mix provided they stay active
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"In the few days that we had him in training, he was quite reserved and didn't really express himself. Obviously it's not the same as seeing him in a game"- GI on Kgosi Nthle
Frank White (The Khosi Extremist )
posted: 12:08 pm
mxm i wrote bless and den this site publishes praise damn. Oh well ONCE a pirate ALWAYS A DONKEY
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 12:10 pm
Gordon failed dismally, the guy must be fired for heaven's sake. 3 draws and 1 win at home....what a shame!!!! And now he must be given a long term contract? I challenge you Ryan, i am saying Bachimps Bafunny will not qualify for the world cup 2014 under Gordon and we will start again to rebuild for 2018 and the excuse will be we dont have enough time to build the team. Jomo within a very short space of time took the team to the finals of AFCON, away from home.
El Kampion
posted: 12:11 pm
Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact. I’m typing this on a plane en route to Durban for the Nations Cup semi-final. I hope, in five years’ time, to type another feature like this on my way to Moscow, entitled ‘I told you so’
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Am glad Ryan you read our comments so i want you to answer one question:

When are you going to drop an apology on this forum for calling Chiefs fans IDIOT FANS?
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:12 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 11:24 am | Report

I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!
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ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 12:02 pm | Report

Gordon should continue coaching Bafana for another 10 or 20 years from now because we don't have any suitable replacement at the moment, not that we think he can do anything better..!
The team can't play without a coach..!!
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are you for real? do you even bother to read your own comments?
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 12:12 pm
J Banana

posted: 12:04 pm | Report

ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 11:24 am | Report

I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!
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then why y=the hell are you reading and commenting on BB news then? and who asked you anyway?
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Joyce Mmabanana
I write what I like and when I like,,,I can't be told by you or anyone..!!
Doycino
posted: 12:17 pm
South african its not the coach who is bad its the type of players you have felling to practice what the are told to do period even if you bring a world class coach i tel you northing will change,
Wa-Lekhosi ko naturena
posted: 12:18 pm
In GI we trust
tain
posted: 12:18 pm
Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact. I’m typing this on a plane en route to Durban for the Nations Cup semi-final. I hope, in five years’ time, to type another feature like this on my way to Moscow, entitled ‘I told you so’.
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*dead fr eva*Thanks you really made my day, I won't laf more than this today fr sure!!!! *laughing tears out*
Frank White (The Khosi Extremist )
posted: 12:19 pm
@ Chump Mopheme
why the #### are u commenting then ??? Dnt expose ur retarded pap & custard infested brain here. U talk about mediocrity ? Hows this for mediocrity;
Winning a tremble in a masimba league like PSL is not an achievement at all.
Proof that the PSL is kak was when dean destroyed angola's NATIONAL midfield while zandile jali fumbled against a CLUB from angola . So shut the faak up stupid boy. U know fokol about football like ur dogs MAMINAzela and champ of all baboons. Whether u all like it or not PSL is Kaaaaaak becos of ur stupid chairman reducing teams from 18 to 16. Its disgusting that chiefs lost one game this season and leading with 35 points while a team sitting in third place has 31 points despite losing 5 games. Thats a sign of a whack league right there wena mr Mediocrity.
qehsihle
posted: 12:24 pm
lol awu my cowditor u r ryt we cn't hope thngs will turn around over 9t
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posted: 12:25 pm
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@ Chump Mopheme
why the #### are u commenting then ???
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tain
posted: 12:26 pm
Editor hai man please liv Igusend alone hle!!! hai hai Thank God u nt SAFA pres

In Igusend we believe
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 12:30 pm
THE EVER SHINING GHOST

posted: 12:01 pm | Report

I am die hard pirates fan....bt hey wena pirates supporters pls stop insulting our nationa couch phela he is 10000000000 miles ahead dan our couch RDS....am gonna back up my statements with fact...#Bucs players makes RDS looks gud bt he is not a good coach cz I hv seen many times wen it comes to substitution,he awlys failed...its just dat he has a solid and wining squad like barcelona...der's nothing special abt RDS...I know u will insult me left and ryt but "truth be told\"....in GI der's a hope...

THE EVER SHINING GHOST,

We are not saying RDS is better than Gordon, and never said that. What we are saying is Gordon failed and his selction of off-form and unfit players sucks. This is not club level football where certain players own tpositions. Yes is true that Pirates players will make RDS look good, they did it with Kroll and I told chimpanzees when they told us Leal failed at Swallows, I said watch our galaxy of players decorating Leal, he left with a double, and when Palacious took over, they told us he never won the league with them and I told him any one can coach these Galaxies and win the league, even Boa said the same thing that anyone can achieve with Pirates what these coaches achieved. See, that brings us to Gordon Masende, why is he sidelining these galaxies?
tain
posted: 12:31 pm
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posted: 12:35 pm
I will never be a "Yes man".
Are you hungry - Yes.
Are you well - Yes.
Are you sick - Yes.
Are you asleep - Yes
Are you awake - Yes.
Is jy dors - Yes.
Is jy goed nou - Yes.
Aaagggg - #### man..! A person is supposed to have a backbone..!!
690202
posted: 12:37 pm
I think this is positive news. Gordon said he will select players that are on current forn, not who has been on form the previous season season and if that is the plan I am happy because one cannot overhaule the entire team because we need the synergy in the team otherwise it will be the bunch of individual player.

People should remember that a National Team cannot win competition after competition, as long as there is progression and may be the criteria could be:
1. Always qualify for World Cup
2, Always qualify for CAf
3. Display progression in terms of compatitive football
4. Advancing to knockout stages in World Cup
5. Winning Afcon in every after fourth paticipation,

Otherwise we are not realistic.

Bafana Bafana all the way!!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 12:38 pm
msenti15

posted: 11:59 am | Report

@BRISCO posted:
Msenti I do blv u r a grown man so u can b better than that
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@brisco forgive me bru but it's irretaiting that every they talk about Jali's exclusion in the national team they talk about his discipline which has got nothing to do with him playing on the field because he delivers when he get a chance there is a long list of top players who have problem with discipline

1. ROONEY
2.JOHN TERRY
3. BENNI
4. BALLOTELLI
5. HARZARD
6.GATTUSO

so why Jali is being punished because he plays for pirates ? Jabu Pule played for bafana , Naughty Mokeona played for bafana? so WTF

@msenti15,

All they have against Jali is jelousy. Look what they did to exclude him from the World cup squad. They are trying to kill his confidence but he has a big heart. Its a lie that the boy has a disciplene problem. No coach ever complained about his disciplene. When he is in the field he is a fighter and has a never say die attitude. He has the right kind of arrogance, thats why he is so successful with the biggest team and even when he was given a chance in the Bafana colours, he never dissapointed us. Ryan is repeating the nonsence that Kaizer chimpanzees fans are saying about Jali all the time because they dont have such a good player like Jali in their books. They did the same rubbish on Teko.
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:39 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

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@ Chump Mopheme
why the #### are u commenting then ???
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how i wish pierats website could have its own forum and take away these morons with them....phela KO is BB and Chiefs forum! you idiots are actually trespassing here, CLEVER COMMENTERS!!
El Kampion
posted: 12:39 pm
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BeeMa
posted: 12:42 pm
You know some supporters are plain stupid. I'm not sure if they have ever played soccer. I'm tied of ppl complaining about the exclusion of Jali. Guess what? I dont support Pirates but i do rate Andile high, his exclusion surprised me but the Coach made the call. So lets not come here and be cry babies as if Andile was gonna single handedly offer SA win against these Countries. Soccer is a team sport. What Gordon is doing is to try and build a team not what we have currently. For now we have players representing SA not a team. When ppl talk about improvement its coz now we starting to play as a team. We now fight for each other. Pirates only won their second Tittle coz of unity. They are a team. Palacios ddnt do anything to win, De Sa will fail coz that team spirit its starting to fade away. Someone said Gordon is not a Coach but a motivator, guess what? Thats what they said about Clive and look what happened in 1996. If it takes motivators/Coach to make Bafana Bafana play, so be it. Lets look at the positive side on things and stop being negative.

Khosi Today, Tomorrow and Always.
Joe.Banana
posted: 12:45 pm
El Kampion

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WHY NOT? we are proudly BB, as much as we are proudly Amakhosi! and we dont expect you morons to understand that, cause obviously your galaxy of cows will be overlooked for a long long time...leave BB to us, we own them!
Rui10
posted: 12:49 pm
fantastic junior team we had under Shakes Mashaba went on to qualify for olympics in 2000,a team that was a '96 back-up but after 2000 disaster hit our football under the leadership o Mr Olifant and his business minded subjects.....Lets hope and pray that Safa has really smelt the coffee this time and stopped the 'one night stand tendencies' in hiring a coach that is to build a solid foundation.
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 12:50 pm
Wa-Lekhosi ko naturena

posted: 12:18 pm | Report

In GI we trust

@Wa-Lekhosi ko naturena,

You trust in everything, you also trusted in VV the special one. What did he win you last season? The special one VV said Chiefs players are weak, if you are hard on the as a coach they start crying like babies. No wonder Bafana are a laughing stock full of cry babies from Naturena farm. See how Nyenye was pulled around with his undies at home in front of his own supporters. Bunch of sisies!!!!
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posted: 12:53 pm
Champ "Superbrand" posted: 12:38 pm | Report

All they have against Jali is jelousy. Look what they did to exclude him from the World cup squad. They are trying to kill his confidence but he has a big heart. Its a lie that the boy has a disciplene problem. No coach ever complained about his disciplene. When he is in the field he is a fighter and has a never say die attitude. He has the right kind of arrogance, thats why he is so successful with the biggest team and even when he was given a chance in the Bafana colours, he never dissapointed us. Ryan is repeating the nonsence that Kaizer chimpanzees fans are saying about Jali all the time because they dont have such a good player like Jali in their books. They did the same rubbish on Teko.
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I fully agree with you Champ..! All this talk about Jali being undisciplined is nonsense. They are so jealouse of him and that is exactly what they did to Teko while still playing for Pirates. In my whole life I have never seen the low lives like Chiefs supporters. They can go to the greater lengths to try to destroy a person's life just in the name of jealousy.!!
John22
posted: 12:53 pm
Liesbeeckposted: 12:07 pm | Report
Thank you..
Editor kindly eleborate on Andile Jali's off the field nonsense...
This boy must go down as one of the unluckiest players ever. I mean WC 2010 he was sacrifised for a useless Lance Davids by Perreira. Then came Pitso and now GI...
Khosi Nyce
posted: 01:00 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMophemeposted: 11:42 am | Report
Itumeleng Khune as captain for the next few years
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This must be some joke, Khune have no captaincy capabilities..!!

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May I Remind you that Greame Smaith had played less then 20 1st class matches when he was made proteas captain. He gt blasted coz of his inexperience and look at him now.... He GREW into the role

John Smit never captained the sharks or the Cats before he captained the Boks. He was terrible post 2004 Tri Nations, made some absolutely horrendous calls that cost us dearly, and guess who led the Boks to the 2007 WC truimph?

Khune will be one of the best leaders if given a chance as he is currently a captain for his side. 5 years is more then enough time for him to mature into the role and if your really honest with yourself, he has no competition for his jersey @ the present moment and the older he becomes, the better he will be.

Don't let ur loyalty to ur team cloud you from reality, watch more sports to expand your general knowledge if how it's like being an athlete coz judging from your comments u never played any sports
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:03 pm
J Banana

posted: 12:45 pm | Report

El Kampion

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WHY NOT? we are proudly BB, as much as we are proudly Amakhosi! and we dont expect you morons to understand that, cause obviously your galaxy of cows will be overlooked for a long long time...leave BB to us, we own them!

@J Banana,

No wonder Bafana Bafana is a laughing stock of Africa, it belong to Javelin throwers!!! this is a free country, we dont care about Banana Banana, but we will comment here just to laugh at this useleess team and tell you how useless the team is!!
Marop wa le Downs
posted: 01:03 pm
Khune, keet, williams, xulu, mabaso, lundo mkhwanazi, mokeke, kgosi nthle, mathoho, phungwayo, masalesa, ngubane, themba zwane, mampuru, morton, vilakazi, jayiya, claasen, erasmus, grant kekana, ntombayithethi, xulu, lebese, gamildien, lerato manzini, mokotjo, furman, and a few others. Throw these boys in the deep end. Let them get whipped by ivory coast and cameroon during afcon. Organise USA, Russia, mexico, croatia, for the mandela challenge and for fifa weeks! Let them fry in the oil. Let them miss the 2014 WC, miss 2014 afcon, but certainly they will qualify for 17 afcon nd reach the final. And they will qualify for WC 18 with ease. This will only happen IF they are thrown in the deep end in the next game
Khosi Nyce
posted: 01:06 pm
Jali is a very good player who has a very important role to play in our country's football moving forward.

But an athlete needs to realize that talent alone is not enough in a team sport. Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better. He is good, but his best years are still ahead if him and we all want to see him get to those good years. But if he will act like he is best thing to happen to Our football then he won't make it anywhere. He just needs to focus on his game and always strive to improve and trust me he will go far.

I am a Khosi 4 life but I support all our national assets and Jali is one of them.
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:06 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 12:53 pm | Report

Champ "Superbrand\" posted: 12:38 pm | Report

All they have against Jali is jelousy. Look what they did to exclude him from the World cup squad. They are trying to kill his confidence but he has a big heart. Its a lie that the boy has a disciplene problem. No coach ever complained about his disciplene. When he is in the field he is a fighter and has a never say die attitude. He has the right kind of arrogance, thats why he is so successful with the biggest team and even when he was given a chance in the Bafana colours, he never dissapointed us. Ryan is repeating the nonsence that Kaizer chimpanzees fans are saying about Jali all the time because they dont have such a good player like Jali in their books. They did the same rubbish on Teko.
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I fully agree with you Champ..! All this talk about Jali being undisciplined is nonsense. They are so jealouse of him and that is exactly what they did to Teko while still playing for Pirates. In my whole life I have never seen the low lives like Chiefs supporters. They can go to the greater lengths to try to destroy a person's life just in the name of jealousy.!!

@ChampTrebleManiacMopheme,

And these same Palookas claim to be patriotic!!!! I am telling you, if Gordon can sideline Javelin throwing chimpanzees from now on, then you will see that there in no patriotism in a chimp.
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posted: 01:07 pm
Khosi Nyce

posted: 01:00 pm | Report

ChampTrebleManiacMophemeposted: 11:42 am | Report
Itumeleng Khune as captain for the next few years
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This must be some joke, Khune have no captaincy capabilities..!!

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May I Remind you that Greame Smaith had played less then 20 1st class matches when he was made proteas captain. He gt blasted coz of his inexperience and look at him now.... He GREW into the role

John Smit never captained the sharks or the Cats before he captained the Boks. He was terrible post 2004 Tri Nations, made some absolutely horrendous calls that cost us dearly, and guess who led the Boks to the 2007 WC truimph?

Khune will be one of the best leaders if given a chance as he is currently a captain for his side. 5 years is more then enough time for him to mature into the role and if your really honest with yourself, he has no competition for his jersey @ the present moment and the older he becomes, the better he will be.

Don't let ur loyalty to ur team cloud you from reality, watch more sports to expand your general knowledge if how it's like being an athlete coz judging from your comments u never played any sports
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Nononono..! Khosi..! Don't compare the uncomparables..! Those guys you are referring to had shown signs of leadeship from the young ages hence they were groomed in those roles, but for Khune, at least in my opinion I don't see any such signs of leadership from him..! I can't trust him to be the captain of my country..!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:11 pm
Khosi Nyce

posted: 01:00 pm | Report

ChampTrebleManiacMophemeposted: 11:42 am | Report
Itumeleng Khune as captain for the next few years
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This must be some joke, Khune have no captaincy capabilities..!!

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May I Remind you that Greame Smaith had played less then 20 1st class matches when he was made proteas captain. He gt blasted coz of his inexperience and look at him now.... He GREW into the role

John Smit never captained the sharks or the Cats before he captained the Boks. He was terrible post 2004 Tri Nations, made some absolutely horrendous calls that cost us dearly, and guess who led the Boks to the 2007 WC truimph?

Khune will be one of the best leaders if given a chance as he is currently a captain for his side. 5 years is more then enough time for him to mature into the role and if your really honest with yourself, he has no competition for his jersey @ the present moment and the older he becomes, the better he will be.

Don't let ur loyalty to ur team cloud you from reality, watch more sports to expand your general knowledge if how it's like being an athlete coz judging from your comments u never played any sports

@Khosi Nyce,

You want Khune to be a Captain simple because he is a Javelin Thrower....nothing else!! you will fool the toirtoses, Chimpanzees, Thiefs, Zebras, Masende as well as a high Cooper.
John22
posted: 01:14 pm
This whole article is thoughtless. The editor speaks about building for 2018 forgetting that we have been building since 1996. We want to win tournaments and beat teams. This is my question to him? When did Mali, Burkina Faso and Nigeria start building for AFCON 2013. The answer is never. They simply hired competent coaches to lead them. The coaches selected committed,quality players and they are in the semis. Everytime we loose, people come up with these useless "bright" ideas. Gordon failed but he deserves a chance to make amends. Jali should rule that midfield. Stop experimenting with our emotions.
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posted: 01:17 pm
Khosi Nyce

posted: 01:06 pm | Report

Jali is a very good player who has a very important role to play in our country's football moving forward.

But an athlete needs to realize that talent alone is not enough in a team sport. Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better. He is good, but his best years are still ahead if him and we all want to see him get to those good years. But if he will act like he is best thing to happen to Our football then he won't make it anywhere. He just needs to focus on his game and always strive to improve and trust me he will go far.
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Jali plays for Orlando Pirates fulltime and no-one have a problem with him there, so, who told you or anyone else hore Jali lacks this, lacks that. He is ill-disciplined, he is not a team player blah! blah! blah! Believe me I gather a lot of information about soccer but I never heard anyone complain about Jali misbehaviour..! Where do you get all this nonsenses..!!
mno
posted: 01:17 pm
But an athlete needs to realize that talent alone is not enough in a team sport. Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better.
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Are you serious?Is Jali not succesful as we speak?
Joe.Banana
posted: 01:20 pm
Champ "Superbrand"

go ahead and laugh, see who cares!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:20 pm
Khosi Nyce

posted: 01:06 pm | Report

Jali is a very good player who has a very important role to play in our country's football moving forward.

But an athlete needs to realize that talent alone is not enough in a team sport. Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better. He is good, but his best years are still ahead if him and we all want to see him get to those good years. But if he will act like he is best thing to happen to Our football then he won't make it anywhere. He just needs to focus on his game and always strive to improve and trust me he will go far.

I am a Khosi 4 life but I support all our national assets and Jali is one of them.

@Khosi Nyce,

Congradulations!!!! a very good attempt at trying to justify the nonsence that Cooper wrote about Jali. But you are not honest!!! We know you hate Jali simple because he is a very good player and happens to play for Pirates and when he is selected Nyenye wont play. I have never seen a player in the current group that work so hard and give 110% everytime he is in the field. This boy never add numbers, when he is in the pitch the opposition will feel him. He hates to lose with passion. He has the right kind of attitude to win, thats whay he won everything in the PSL in 2 years as a profeesional. And now because you Chimpanzees are not honest and have to face the fact, you say the PSL is a useless league. Then if thats the case then lets not selcet of the Javelin throwers from your team, lets select everything that kick the ball overseas.
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:26 pm
J Banana

posted: 01:20 pm | Report

Champ "Superbrand\"

go ahead and laugh, see who cares!

@J Banana,

you care Banana Banana!!! Its pretty obvious, just in denial!!
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posted: 01:27 pm
Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better.
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What attitude are this people taliking about eintlik..!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 01:30 pm
@Ryan Cooper,

Why are you hiding Ryan? Answer!! what has Jali done to you and Gordon Masende?
mno
posted: 01:31 pm
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Glorified Sendino
posted: 01:33 pm
it sound like a good plan..but the history of SA soccer paints a bleak picture for the following reasons: PSL teams have a tendency to withhold/withdrew players from national teams; there's no continuity from junior to senior team; e.g. Ndulula is a success story for under 23; Good players we export become benchwamers in their overseas teams, even locally this has become a trend lately....
Cosa Nostra (5Families)
posted: 01:36 pm
@Jomo Sono Wase Orlando!!!!!posted: 11:32 am | Report Thanks Ryan Cooper. Interligent, focused, sustianable and viable long term strategy. The team must be build around

Kune ( keeper)
Mathoho ( defense)
Andile ( Midlifield)
Rantie ( Strikers)

Also go to the countryside to look for tall and phyical players like Ramagalela, Bacela, Koza ( Leapard). Generally Gauteng players are not tall and that can be limiting. if we have short players they must have expectional talent.

Spot on
maphul 'inkomo
posted: 01:39 pm
In GI i believe this man had rbuild our team at least he derseve our support
msenti15
posted: 01:39 pm
Champ "Superbrand\" posted: 12:38 pm | Report

All they have against Jali is jelousy. Look what they did to exclude him from the World cup squad. They are trying to kill his confidence but he has a big heart. Its a lie that the boy has a disciplene problem. No coach ever complained about his disciplene. When he is in the field he is a fighter and has a never say die attitude. He has the right kind of arrogance, thats why he is so successful with the biggest team and even when he was given a chance in the Bafana colours, he never dissapointed us. Ryan is repeating the nonsence that Kaizer chimpanzees fans are saying about Jali all the time because they dont have such a good player like Jali in their books. They did the same rubbish on Teko.
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I fully agree with you Champ..! All this talk about Jali being undisciplined is nonsense. They are so jealouse of him and that is exactly what they did to Teko while still playing for Pirates. In my whole life I have never seen the low lives like Chiefs supporters. They can go to the greater lengths to try to destroy a person's life just in the name of jealousy.!!
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thank you champs when a player doesn't play for chiefs they will always find something bad about him this was the same story with Teko ....izinja lezinto they are full of jealousy !!!
msenti15
posted: 01:49 pm
Khune as a captain is the biggest mistake ever he can't even organise his defence look at the goals scored against us durind afcon epecially Keita's goal ... no ways this Khune dlamini can be a captain and why is media promoting chiefs players vele ? b#lsh!t
Anti-Zebra
posted: 01:49 pm
I agree with this cowditor Ryan Cooper.

In fact Ryan Cooper is a plagiarising. The ideas expressed on this article were already spoken months ago by Smart Galaxies like Lord Vinny, Champ Marapo, KING, Matt, Champ Marapo and I also shared the same sentiments.

In writing this article, Ryan Cooper should've started with the words, “The Pirates fans are right”

No Ryan Cooper, you did not tell us so. We actually told you so
Skhumba
posted: 01:49 pm
Ryan Cooper, @ least now i will comment frequently knowing that my comments are read by football gurus such as you. You are right Mr. EDITOR, don't mind these KALABoons.
La Pulga Atomica
posted: 01:53 pm
Very very nice Ryan. That is vision!!!!!
mash_do
posted: 01:59 pm
I'm not really a fan of this ryan cooper dude and was shocked wen kickoff recruited him from that garbage newspaper dailysun , I agree with him on this one ,it sound like a logical thing to do but trust me if fails to qualify for brazil his fellow journalists will be the first to put pressure on him and the rest of the country will be calling for his head!..
cmash
posted: 02:04 pm
ChampTrebleManiacMopheme

posted: 11:24 am | Report

I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!

you are a stupid monkey
Mampudi
posted: 02:04 pm
U MISS ONE THING.COUNTRY DO NOT BUILD THE SENIOR SQUADS, BUILDING IS AT UNDER 23S DOWNWARDS.IF WE CAN HAVE A STRONG SUPPORTED UNDER 23 AND 21 WE WILL NEVER HAVE PROBLEM WITH PLAYERS TRANSITION .
COUNTRY LIKE GHANA CAN EASILY BRING A YOUNG TEAM OF UNDER 23.....
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:09 pm
Where is Ryan Cooper, the coward!!! deal with the Jali issue!!!!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:16 pm
This is a national team, players must be choosen based on form (perfomance at their respective clubs) and how match fit are they. Therefore Ryan we cant be building around certain players because we dont know if they will be on-form or match fit. This is the reason why clueless coaches like Gordon call unfit players. He knows nothing about international football. What is he saying to players who are working hard at their respective clubs when he goes to national radio to tell us Mathoho and Gould ar back. nxx!!!
obyjas
posted: 02:19 pm
@Champ "Superbrand"
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Where is Ryan Cooper, the coward!!! deal with the Jali issue!!!!!
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Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:20 pm
Our National coaches have been selecting players because they play overseas or becuase they have +50caps or they have experience. I dont understand why they keep repeating one and the same thing and fail. Teams like Ghana bring young stars in the World Cup and do well. Nigeria, changed their squad, brought local players and doing well. We, same old failures and still failing.
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posted: 02:32 pm
cmash

posted: 02:04 pm | Report

ChampTrebleManiacMopheme posted: 11:24 am | Report

I have to put it on record to those who think we bother about Bafana we don't. We have our own team that win trebles not this palookas who fail to achieve anything..!!

you are a stupid monkey
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\"CHAMP\\\" DjScratch
posted: 02:35 pm
@Champ "Superbrand" the only person whos getting fired is you for exceeding ur 10mins lunch break, i dont even know y u commenting here since this is a story on Bafana not Zambia!
Anyway i personally think we do not have enough quality youngsters coz if we did we wouldve qualified for the African youth championship, the last group of talented youngsters we produced was the 1 in 2009 that had the likes of Andile Jali, Thulani Serero, Darren Keet, Bhengu, Erasmus, Mokotjo, Classen, Khumalo, but these boys to me arnt youngsters most of them r 23 now turning 24 this year 2 me thats not really young, Junior Sibande the Tuks left back is what u call young only 19 but has established himself as 1 of the best leftbacks in the country!
Safa should just start from scratch and build a formideble under 17 squad and everything else will fall in2 place!
Ez'kamagebhula*
posted: 02:39 pm
Mxm nothing good will ever become of Bafana Bafana you can talk as much as you like. Just a useless team runned by selfish fools!!!!
Liesbeeck
posted: 02:44 pm
Khosi Nyce

posted: 01:06 pm | Report

Jali is a very good player who has a very important role to play in our country's football moving forward.

But an athlete needs to realize that talent alone is not enough in a team sport. Your attitude is one of the most important elements needed to succeed and the sooner he realizes that the better. He is good, but his best years are still ahead if him and we all want to see him get to those good years. But if he will act like he is best thing to happen to Our football then he won't make it anywhere. He just needs to focus on his game and always strive to improve and trust me he will go far.

I am a Khosi 4 life but I support all our national assets and Jali is one of them.
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I will reiterate that Jali isnt a star and with less than 3 seasons in the PSL he has a lot to learn and to improve on, to take his game to the next level. He has some flaws in his game eg, his long range shooting is really poor, he is at times slow when he should be releasing the ball quickly and end up being dispossessed in dangerous areas and sometimes the ball ends up in the net. As a human being,not perfect, like everyone else is susceptible to imperfections , as reflected by what was written in the recent interview with soccer laduma re BB call up.

However, people must not lie to us or come up with baseless excuses re Jali. He has never refused any call-up , he has never had any problems with coaches or his teammates. His contribution to Bucs since he made his debut less than 3 yrs ago has surpassed most of the established players in the PSL, let alone players his age. He played like a seasoned player even when called for BB (remember when he put in top-notch performance in Egypt int he qualifying game, also in Niamey where he even scored).

There is a lot that people can do or say to convince us of this 'attitude' that they are refering to, and they should tell us if it has stalled Bucs` successes or if it has stalled BB.
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:44 pm
Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. - Ryan Cooper

@ Ryan,

I agree, you are indeed high on Wunga!!!!! We are not talking about a flight here!!
safan111
posted: 02:45 pm
Nice piece Ryan, well articulated, and let's hope the powers that be pay attention - bear in mind that you're not only voicing your own thoughts, there will be many millions of Bafana supporters out there who echo your sentiments!
Dooba [Glory Deferred]
posted: 02:47 pm
and get someone like Andile Jali’s head right..tltlt
cmash
posted: 02:49 pm
Champ "Superbrand"

posted: 02:16 pm | Report

This is a national team, players must be choosen based on form (perfomance at their respective clubs) and how match fit are they. Therefore Ryan we cant be building around certain players because we dont know if they will be on-form or match fit. This is the reason why clueless coaches like Gordon call unfit players. He knows nothing about international football. What is he saying to players who are working hard at their respective clubs when he goes to national radio to tell us Mathoho and Gould ar back. nxx!!!



listen here wena you idiot, form is temporary, meaning it doesnt last, but ask me about class... i will tell u alot of things u dnt even knw about it, did u know that lucas was unfit in 96? but the technical team chose him, y? for the same reason they chose serero and masilela, n not klate and sekgolela..hope u get that one.. if jali was playing for chiefs,..u wud be calling him cowjali u idiot
Click! Clique Bang!!!
posted: 02:51 pm
"Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact" LOL

@Ryana Cooper
u dont see these zebras ye..ha ha ha
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:51 pm
DjScratch

posted: 02:35 pm | Report

@Champ "Superbrand\" the only person whos getting fired is you for exceeding ur 10mins lunch break, i dont even know y u commenting here since this is a story on Bafana not Zambia!

@DjScobo,

i do not work for anyone wena slima!!! Money works for me. How can you tell me about lunch breaks when you dont even know me and what I do for a living. You are a fool. counter my argument or dont respond to my post. I will comment on any article that I feel like commenting on and you cant tell me when and how to comment. Get it fool!!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 02:58 pm
cmash

posted: 02:49 pm | Report

Champ "Superbrand\"

posted: 02:16 pm | Report

This is a national team, players must be choosen based on form (perfomance at their respective clubs) and how match fit are they. Therefore Ryan we cant be building around certain players because we dont know if they will be on-form or match fit. This is the reason why clueless coaches like Gordon call unfit players. He knows nothing about international football. What is he saying to players who are working hard at their respective clubs when he goes to national radio to tell us Mathoho and Gould ar back. nxx!!!



listen here wena you idiot, form is temporary, meaning it doesnt last, but ask me about class... i will tell u alot of things u dnt even knw about it, did u know that lucas was unfit in 96? but the technical team chose him, y? for the same reason they chose serero and masilela, n not klate and sekgolela..hope u get that one.. if jali was playing for chiefs,..u wud be calling him cowjali u idiot

@cmash,

Look at the mirror and you will see Mzansi no1's fool, thats u!! Back to the topic.....Why then did your clueless coach say he will choose players according to phone and every player stand a chance to be selected as long as he work hard and perfom for his club. How do you determine class? Are the 7 Javelin players in our national team having class? What did this players with class achieve for their team and the national teams?
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 03:05 pm
@cmash,

Do you think Nyawana has class? Where was class when Masilela was being exposed? most of the opportunities of opposition came from his side. If Gaxa is class then I am lost for words. Nyenye is worse, he was chasing shadowsagainst Cape Verde and was dropped the next game. Is Majoro classy? the Bafana game died out as soon as he came on.Is Parker a classy striker, with susch poor strike rate? check last season 4 goals against how many games played? Youknow nothing about class!!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 03:10 pm
cmash

posted: 02:49 pm | Report

Champ "Superbrand\"

posted: 02:16 pm | Report
.. if jali was playing for chiefs,..u wud be calling him cowjali u idiot

@cmash,

The very same way you were calling Morgan Goat and Gaxa cows when they were playing for Supersport and Sundows. You never called for their inclusion in the Bafana Bafana squad and you never said Bafana missed them!! You guys have even the nerves to compare a cow like Majoro with Benni. so dont come with that foot foot nonsence!!!
Treble brace Champ \"Superbrand\"
posted: 03:15 pm
cmash
posted: 02:49 pm | Report
i will tell u alot of things u dnt even knw about it, did u know that lucas was unfit in 96? but the technical team chose him, y? for the same reason they chose serero and masilela, n not klate and sekgolela..hope u get that one

@cmash,

I will also tell you about something you dont know....there was Mark fish, Tovey, David Nyathi and Sizwe as well to cover for the unfit Lucas. What do we have now? useless Javelin players like Gaxa and Masilela who expose our centerbacks!! Hope you empty head will graps this.
longman
posted: 03:16 pm
The road forward, stop using muti to play! And don't go to sangoma for help!
Oupa Wa Leberete ( DTC)
posted: 03:30 pm
Mr Ryan Cooper! I think thats all that we need from now on, if we want to make it in Russia. You have said it without fear or favour. I thank u for that, From now on u are MR SAY IT LIKE IT IS.
Liesbeeck
posted: 03:34 pm
cmash

posted: 02:49 pm | Report

Champ "Superbrand\"

posted: 02:16 pm | Report

This is a national team, players must be choosen based on form (perfomance at their respective clubs) and how match fit are they. Therefore Ryan we cant be building around certain players because we dont know if they will be on-form or match fit. This is the reason why clueless coaches like Gordon call unfit players. He knows nothing about international football. What is he saying to players who are working hard at their respective clubs when he goes to national radio to tell us Mathoho and Gould ar back. nxx!!!



listen here wena you idiot, form is temporary, meaning it doesnt last, but ask me about class... i will tell u alot of things u dnt even knw about it, did u know that lucas was unfit in 96? but the technical team chose him, y? for the same reason they chose serero and masilela, n not klate and sekgolela..hope u get that one.. if jali was playing for chiefs,..u wud be calling him cowjali u idiot
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Lucas Radebe was playing in the Barclays league then & a key player & captain for his team & key player for BafanaBafana and also in the radar of top teams like M.United. Radebe was a soldier, a leader and world class player. Barker`s choice of Radebe was within the ambit of his leadership qualities, his brave heart, and him being a renowned international and world class player. Its a pure misinformation to deduce that Barker`s selection choice of Roo is the same as Gordon`s selection choice of serero, masilela as you cnt use terms like great leadership qualities, brave heart, renowned international when referring to masilela and serero. Please dont compare the incomparable.
Black Lion
posted: 04:01 pm
Lol world cup is just a dream
deekay.r
posted: 04:47 pm
RYAN COOPER!!!!! as much as you made my day, u trully showed me that you understand and know SA football than many of our "COWfans" as they love refering to, but back to the article... u spot on, on point and to the core!!! i like it, i love it and i would be one of those people also saying " he told you so ". Thank you
Bucs A Lot - 5 Skipas is 1 cloth
posted: 05:20 pm
@Gucci Man....typical Gayzer cHIVs groupie...
What has ur metrosexual team achieved wena...? Nix, nil, zilch, nothing, leqanda. Speak abt ur gay drag queens b4 u attack Pirates.
U stupid ignorant groupie!!!
Bhodlo
posted: 05:30 pm
I think we should be wary of what happened to Bafana when they were ranked no.1 in Africa,then came Jomo with the "players 4 the future". Then started Bafana's downward spiral. At the same time we don't need to focus solely on 2018 there are some other torneys such as 2015,2017 Afcon and we need 2 do well in those competitions. I suggest we take 1 step at at not wholesale changes.
Matt/ Tremble4Da2ndStarChamps
posted: 05:32 pm
Eish Ryan Cooper you've said a mouthful. But how is Jali's off-field antics affected his performance on the field?

Every week I read stories about Wayne Rooney doing all kinds of things with strippers and prostitutes but he does wonders for his club and country. So what's your point then?

Bottom line is most of us work five days a week and go on a party spree on weekends only to brag about it the next Monday with our fellow staff at our offices and our bosses (mind you my CEO drives a Ferrari) and not once has he told his dedicated staff to slow down if their weekend fun doesn't affect their work.

Come on bru! Jali's sin was saying he doesn't care whether he's selected for BB or not and now the whole country wants to use that against him. What's wrong with Jali's words because playing for the national team is a part time job whereas playing for his club is a full time job? OPFC is Jali's bread and butter. The same goes for Pienaar at Everton and Keet in Belgium. Even Benni once complained why should he and Fortune fly all the way from Europe and not play a full 90min of football.

Use a little bit of added knowledge next time. In no way or form do I disregard your article and some of your valid points, however I also would never allow Jali to play for BB if he's going to play less than 45min of football especially knowing he's the BEST defensive midfielder in the country since Linda Buthelezi, Dumisa Ngobe, John Moeti and Eric Tinkler. Drunkards like Jabulani Mendu and Patrick Mbuthu are like kindergaten compared to Jali and should be gratefull I mentioned them in this comment in the first place. He he he...

I pause!
Qseven
posted: 10:10 pm
It is so scared to think on how safa changes their so called policy. we were told Gordon should qualify us at least to semi final but that didn't materialize. in stead they elongate his contract. In my sentiment it is vivid to say, even if Gordon fails to qualify us to Brazil he will still remain the head coach. And that will make no sense at all..
Champions League 2nd Star (Back-To-Back Double Treble Success)
posted: 07:57 am
And one other thing is for the people to realise that Gordon is beneath Jali..!!
Spawtz Fanatic
posted: 09:28 am
Death by "Some ‘clever’ commenters will, of course, ask whether this ‘COWditor is high’. Well yes, I am. About 30,000 feet high, in fact." ..... what happened to confidence my COWditor Ryan Cooper? good one! but i still see us qualifying for Brazil with the current crop plus an addition here and there.
THE GLORY CONTINUES......
posted: 11:35 am
lets give it a try, rome was not built in a day.
mduduzim
posted: 12:13 pm
sure bucceneer
Sense_Of_Glamour
posted: 12:21 pm
Ryan Cooper, stick to 'writing' baba. Its your think! ...report stories to us please... Once you start competing with some 'clever' commenters - you lose it boy. Channel your creative juices on how best to report stories like match-fixing... Yhoo, and quit Nyaope; there is no rehab for that!
Sense_Of_Glamour
posted: 01:39 pm
@Lieesbeek, @Matt and @Champ ... You all deserve to be knighted NOW! Stru

Not even one reporter has ever substantiated these 'Jali is ill-disciplined' allegations. His on-the field attitude is one of the attributes that make him a special player. Which reminds me of Eric Cantona's, Ibrahimovic's, Romario's and our own Sammy Etoo. With that you just need a coach with good man-management skills, not a Preacher like Gordon (What a talker). Such geniuses do not work well with too much micro-management because they already have their own game-plan in the head. You don't instruct them forcefully, you win them over and they thrive when faith is shown in them.

So Jali is not a trained leader; He is a born leader. OJ was our Captain at age 22yr and he did well... I don't see Gordorn managing Jali to reach his full potential. I still maintain Gavin Hunt is the one led to Zongo to self-destruct because of poor man-management. But a lot of this is influenced by 'culture'. Sometimes it's not easy understanding some social characteristics dat define a person from a different background; be it geographical, racial, tribal or otherwise. That is why I admire Ted Dimitru, who has made an effort to understand a local psyche from all different social backgrounds in our country. And he understand that better than Gordon will ever do.

To some, this might be interpreted as an attack on GI. No its not, though I have rated him at top - He is a fairly decent coach who deserve a chance to prove his worth at the back of the many championships he has won. I support him to do well, But I also don't like how is handling the Jali issue.

Ryan Cooper, further blames GI's predecessor(s) for his anticipated failure to qualify for Brazil. Pitso played one game, he drew against ETH (4 pts) - he was fired. Steve went to Bots and drew. There are still four more games to be played, including an away leg in Addis. He has a different team and he needs to qualify, we are all realists but we are not going accept mediocre because it comes from Gordon. Though I respect your viewpoint, I beg to differ. Atleast if we bow out at the play offs if we draw a tougher team. There is just no reason why we should top our group.

By the way - I'm NOT a pirates fan.
oats
posted: 03:43 pm
I wasnt aware of any off field nonsense Jali is doing Mr Writer....wht off field nonsense are you talking about??
Liqhame
posted: 06:37 am
Can someone please explain to me what has Jali done to b labelled ill-discipline? Everyone keep calling ill-discipline and I just fail to understand why? Or are jelous of his achievements? I mean very few SA players at his age have won 2 back to back trepples and he single handed them to Pirates.
Liqhame
posted: 06:40 am
Sense_Of_Glamour, I could not have articulated better myself.
xpressor
posted: 10:44 am
Watch as at the Afcon2015 if we make it Shabba, Yeye, Sangweni, Mashego and KG will be playing. In the process blocking the progress of Zungu, Jali, Xulu and Erasmus! We have 25year old in South Africa still being referred to as "a youngster with a bright future!?"
Maplayers
posted: 11:59 am
This is what I have always spoken about junior policy is the continuity to football success, like Brazil, Germany, Spain, France, you name them, in Africa, look at Nigeria and Ghana's youth academy, these guts are in every youth tournament, either winning or runners up, against the big European countries and SA no where to be found.
brazilitto
posted: 12:10 pm
All nonsese mr cooper, yo story is still nothing but a trash, limpopo toilet paper if u know what ama saying.
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