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Can Pirates win the Telkom Knockout Cup in seven Finals?

Can Pirates break their Cup duck?

Posted: 2011-12-09 09:44

Saturday's Telkom Knockout Final will be Orlando Pirates' seventh – but they have never won the Cup. Can they do it in 2011?

Pirates made the League Cup final in 1987 and 1990, when it was known as the John Player Special Knockout; in 1995, when it was the Coca-Cola Cup; in 2000 as the Rothmans Cup; and in 2008 and 2011 as the Telkom Knockout.

In 1987, Bucs came up against Bush Bucks in the Final of the JPS Knockout. They took the first leg 3-1; Mlungisi Ngubane scored for Bush Bucks with a free-kick, but Basil Steenkamp got a brace, and Tebogo Moloi scored a screamer, to hand Pirates a comfortable win.

But Bush Bucks turned the tables in the second leg, with Barnet Gondwe and Ngubane handing Imbabala a 2-0 win, levelling the score – the away goal rule did not exist in the competition back then.

Bush Bucks then took the replay Final 2-1; Moloi scored for Pirates, but it was not enough as Calvin Petersen bagged a brace and broke Bucs' hearts.

In 1990 Pirates again made the Final, but this time they were dismissed by Mamelodi Sundowns.

The Brazilians won the first leg 1-0, thanks to a goal by Zane Moosa, and a 1-1 draw in the second leg – with a goal apiece from Ian Palmer and Harold 'Jazzy Queen' Legodi – handed Sundowns a win on aggregate.

16 years ago, in a carbon copy of this weekend's match, Wits University met Pirates in the 1995 Coca-Cola Cup Final.

Wits went into the match as favourites. They did not disappoint, as Nigerian Benson Otiti headed home from a free-kick just before half-time to hand The Students the win.

Five years later, Bucs and Ajax Cape Town met in the 2000 Rothmans Cups Final, in what would turn out to be one of the most exciting matches in Mzansi football history.

In the first match the two sides played to a 1-1 stalemate after extra time, Edelbert Dinha's second half goal being cancelled out by Steve Lekoelea.

Ajax returned to FNB Stadium for the replay, and the young Cape side hammered Pirates 4-1. Carlo Scott and Brett Evans scored early goals, and Scott got a brace later on. Jeremy Jansen added the fourth, and Jerry Sikhosana scored a consolation goal for Pirates.

In the 2008 Telkom Knockout they lost again to Ajax, 2-1. Ajax were 2-0 up after 16 minutes after two goals from Mabhuti Khenyeza, and substitute Siphelele Mthembu's late consolation goal was not enough to break Pirates' duck.

In the 2011 edition, Chiefs beat Pirates 3-0 at Soccer City, through a brace from Sthembiso Ngcobo and a goal from Siphiwe Tshabalala. It was a record-extending 13th title in this competition for Amakhosi, but made it six finals without a win for the Buccaneers.

Wits League Cup record

Wits, on the other hand, have a 66.6 (recurring) percent win record in the League Cup; they have made the final three times, and won it twice.

In 1985 Wits beat Kaizer Chiefs 2-1 in a replay, after the two-legged Final ended 2-2, and in 1995 they beat Pirates 1-0 in the match recalled above.

The Clever Boys were losing finalists in 1983, when Chiefs beat them 2-1.

Jennifer Malec







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Recent Comments (53) :

Scirocco 'R': 2011-12-09 10:12


In style.

Pirates is breakin every record lately,

Zwilithini: 2011-12-09 10:14

WE HAVE A TEAM THAT IS CAPABLE OF WINNING EACH AND EVERY GAME THAT WE PLAY SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING FROM WITS THEY COME @ THE WRONG TIME WHEN THE TEAM IS DOING WELL AND STARTING TO GEL SO I SEE ORLANDO PIRATES TAKING THE CUP 3-0

Win or Loose: 2011-12-09 10:15

ditlotlwane tsa pieraids @ the above picture

SABELO : 2011-12-09 10:18

@Jennifer Malec, why u guys are trying so hard to discourage Pirates from winning the TKO? Can u please respond Jennifer.

Khayo : 2011-12-09 10:34

Cum on editor stop talking abt history

Faka i-safety belt ku driver Kaizer Manje: 2011-12-09 10:44

Hey is that GoodEnough's clan?

lish: 2011-12-09 10:47

@ much has been told and said and wrtten.....but I dont believe in history......Pirates are there to rewrite the history...it will be the only team to be in so many finals for two season.....

ALL THE CRITICES ARE WELCOME TO DURBAN.....EDITOR please do not rub salts to the wounds of Chiefs and Sundowns fans by intro each story about Pirates, as we all aware it is a final.....P

LEASE BRING SOME OF WITS STATS OR HISTORIC PERFORMANCES....

ice_cracker: 2011-12-09 10:50

MR Editor, try to bring all the critisizm u cn think of, fact remains. Bucks rule till the Chempazy Chips FC no longer familly business.
Bucks always break those record. We gonna beat ur student to show them they belong in classes, not in the field of play. N u Mr Editor u'LL go with UR TENDENCY of critisism to naturena where ur family belong, get lost moron.
again: Bucks rules till Cables thiefs FC no longer family business

ice_cracker: 2011-12-09 10:54

MR Editor, try to bring all the critisizm u cn think of, fact remains. Bucks rule till the Chempazy Chips FC no longer familly business.
Bucks always break those record. We gonna beat ur student to show them they belong in classes, not in the field of play. N u Mr Editor u'LL go with UR TENDENCY of critisism to naturena where ur family belong, get lost moron.
again: Bucks rules till Cables thiefs FC no longer family business

East Rand: 2011-12-09 10:55

Pirates this Pirates that genoeg maan!!! What about Wits which you seem to have forgotten about? If its not about Benni, its about Klate, Mbuyane, Josephs, Leal, Ngobeni, Manyisa... grand grand the whole team. Did Roger kick you out of Wits H/Q? Its becoming a nuisance now. Stop pestering only our players and do the same with Wits
Once and Always until KO gets its house in order

Faka i-safety belt ku driver Kaizer Manje: 2011-12-09 11:00

Continue Mr. Editor.....Sum will fall hard..........

Kenny Chabedi: 2011-12-09 11:02

This cup is heading to Parktown no questions.
Shapa Bhakabhaka Shapa!!!

Disaster: 2011-12-09 11:05

"'Wits had just won the League, and went into the match as favourites. They did not disappoint, as Nigerian Benson Otiti headed home from a free-kick just before half-time to hand The Students the win."'
Mr Editor, if my memory serves me well Wits have never won the league. It was the BP Top Eight which they won against Kaizer Chies in 1995.

The Phefeni Boy: 2011-12-09 11:06

Holigans....Pirates is for the five "skippers"..lol...I hear the they will be wearing another new skipper tomorrow celebrating 75 years of corruption.. I hope they don't go to the stadium looking like this...it might just be hard to removed the paint after Wits won the game.

Champ "Superbrand": 2011-12-09 11:12

Zebra kickoff is using every trick in the book from comparing playing and making sure Wits wins to using History that does not favour Pirates. All this done to demoralise Pirates players to make them doubt their ability to win the final and to boost Wits confident ahead of the final. But this Zebra editor is making a serious mistake, History does not play on the day and player comparison on paper is not similar to playing on the pitch.

I do not see how Wits can beat Pirates. Not in this final!!

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 11:19

I do see Wits standing in our way. We are officially rewriting the history tomorrow by winning this elusive League Cup/ Telkom for the first time. We should start the game with the same line up , pattern & formation that dismantled SSU united recently.

Champ "Superbrand": 2011-12-09 11:20

The interesting thing is after Pirates is crowned on Saturday as Telkom Champions then Zebra Kickoff will run out of stories, the website will be quite and they will do their best as usual to ignore the Champions. The defending champions of the Absa League, Nedbank Cup, MTN8 cup, Telkom Knockout Cup........After this we will be going for the African Champions league, start practising to say African Champions.

KING?: 2011-12-09 11:22


Guys please dont blame Kick Off, its all about business, u publish something thats gonna attracts volumes.

Pirates sells, u can put one Wits article and only 4 people will comment. This is exactly what is going to happen in Mabhida, Wits is going to lose to Pirates fans.

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 11:23

Champ Superbrand, I am with you Juju.All this negative reporting about our team being unfortunate to win this cup before is a tool to distract them and boost Wits 's confidance. I like Leal's words when He say History belongs to the Museums.

Champ Mriyo (Trebble kings of SA): 2011-12-09 11:23

I would like 2 wish all my felow bhakaniyas a happy Friday,i m going 2 have funn now n have sum few drinks.All Bhakaniyas enjoy yoselves,the rest i dont care wat hapens 2 u.

Champ "Superbrand": 2011-12-09 11:25

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 11:19 [ Report ]


I do see Wits standing in our way. We are officially rewriting the history tomorrow by winning this elusive League Cup/ Telkom for the first time. We should start the game with the same line up , pattern & formation that dismantled SSU united recently.

@T-Bucs,

I agree, we must start the same team against SSU. I waite for the day Chansa is played in his position, it final happened and I was vindicated. Chansa was not off-form but played out of position. In this position he was helping in defence, he was supporting strikers coming from deep and he gave wingers options thats why he scored that goal. He had more opportunities to double his tally on the day, that after he struggled in the previous games.

KING?: 2011-12-09 11:33


Mriyo: please watch out for Hobbos, they are desperate, they have been dumped.

Anything is possible, if needs be, emulate Jali, take your shirt off and moer these Zebras.

TopStriker : 2011-12-09 11:45

Mabizela is back fat benni,wil b tightly marked,old sangweni beware,he cum chapman!rats wil lose ths one,they hv bn very lucky in th past,I undrstand their inyanga is dead.

KING?: 2011-12-09 11:47


TopStriker: which team do u support konje?

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 11:49

Hmmm, Champ Superbrand, Good ****ysis ! We started last season 's campaign by playing Chansa & Jali combo in central midfield. It was a solid & more dominant central midfield partnership in the league & It has proved that once again when we abused SSU. If it's not broken why fix it, by saying that I support your view that this combo should start the game tomorrow. Ace can come later on to stabilise & secure the game when leading.

Bonga : 2011-12-09 11:52

I've been following soccer since 1987 n I don't recall Wits winning the league in 1995. Cape Town Spurs with players like David Nyathi; David Modise; Craig Roslee; Shaun Bartlet et al won the league in 1995. Wits won BP Top 8 beating Zebras by 2-0 thru a brace by Bradley Carnel n they won the Coca Cola Cup 1-0 defeating us (Bucs) thru Benson Otiti's 44th minute header. These editors must do research first before writing lies.

KING?: 2011-12-09 11:53


T-Bucs: u are just opening a gab for Wits to attack.

Jali peotects the defence and Manyisa controls the middle, lets play all 3, with Chansa playing behind the strikers and he will drift back to assist in defence. This will stabalise the game and we will the inject pace in the 2nd half.

Remember Wits attack with wingers who cut inside so u dont wanna create space. You want to close them down.

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 11:53

Zebraditor, What is so offensive about the word, "****YSIS". Why change my post?

KING?: 2011-12-09 12:00


People have forgotten that ACE is an individual match winner, u cant afford to sit him on the bench, he does everything.

We cant also afford to lose the experience of THE ORIGINAL NTHO Tse MONATE" Chansa.

we must use all the weapon with "THE POWERBALL" leading the front.

Maketula: 2011-12-09 12:05

Thula uzobona Mr! Thiz tym around it's ours! BHAKANIYA TILL DEATH......

khulakahle : 2011-12-09 12:07

BUCS GONNA BLEKSEM THE RENTED CROWD FC WT A CRICKET SCORE, PERIOD

Mosixty : 2011-12-09 12:18

@king ur a fool. How can u call a kwerekwere ntho tse monate.he does not even know what it means. Stupid boy

KING?: 2011-12-09 12:25


Mosixty: Chansa has been in this country long enough to understand different languages.

Even if he does n't understand it, we do and we are prepared to take arms and explain to him what it means.

By the way, which team do you support, No wonder Bobby treats you like sh*t and r*bbish because of your petty brains.

T-Bucs: 2011-12-09 12:30

King ,Our two wingers Mbuyane & Klate have defensive qualities. They will pickup those Wits wingers cutting inside. Your assertion also implies that we sacrifice Mabena(accomodate Manyisa) who had fairly good game against SSU & revert back to 4-5-1 formation.The 4-5-1 formation inclusive of Manyisa & Jali combo plays too deep for my liking, passes the ball backwards , limits opportunities for our strikers to bury. This is in stark contrast to the attacking 4-4-2 that played against SSU.I am of the view that we can only play 4-5-1 when we are leading & seeking to secure victory.

TopStriker : 2011-12-09 12:31

@King
U wanna knw which team I support?well I'm doing MBA at university of Wits!
Wht bout u,wht do u hv?taxi driver?

Squdeyibucs: 2011-12-09 12:33


"Wits had just won the League, and went into the match as favourites. They did not disappoint, as Nigerian Benson Otiti headed home from a free-kick just before half-time to hand The Students the win."
nc nc nc nc nc nc rented editors writing false stories! Wits won the League in your dreams please wake up Jennifer!

Dooba OPC: 2011-12-09 12:48

Eish, this supporters are ugly, typical of rats!

They will never win it, dark or blue!

Totalfootball : 2011-12-09 12:57

Topstriker

Both players come from us and they don't scare us.we know how to deal with them and you shall be no.witness to tell the whole world after the game!

KING?: 2011-12-09 13:02


TopStrike: so u doing an MBA at Wits, can we please meet on Saturday at 10:15 in the cafeteria, wow what a co-incident, I am also with WBS, we will be meeting with the programme officer Melusi Mthembu to discuss rollover to a new year.


it would be nice to engage you at this level, i am looking forward to meet with you. Where do you work by the way.

Totalfootball : 2011-12-09 13:05

Topstriker

You don't sound like someone who is doing MBA.a simple question!which team do you support and you fail so dismally!now you claim to be doing MBA.let me ask you one question before I can test you with a series of MBA curriculum questions.what is the meaning of MBA?

KING?: 2011-12-09 13:13


Topstriker:

Question: which team do you support
Answer:U wanna knw which team I support?well I'm doing MBA at university of Wits!

The first thing they teach at Harvard business School which WBS influnces most of the curriculum from, is reading comprehensively, which u could have been taught at high school or under graduate level.

xee: 2011-12-09 13:14

when benni critisized chiefs and pirates while playing abroad every pirate supporter hated him now he is playing for them he is a hero ,hope he does not desappoint come tomorrow afternoon

KING?: 2011-12-09 13:14


Topstriker:

Question: which team do you support?
Answer:U wanna knw which team I support?well I'm doing MBA at university of Wits!

Is this dumb or what

KING?: 2011-12-09 13:33


xee: when did Benni criticize Chiefs and Pirates boss, please acknowledge your source.

xee: 2011-12-09 14:17

King? remember Benni is a straight talker so let me remind you,He was asked what is his opinion about cape townn players not making it for bafana bafana,his answer was if you are not playing for chiefs and pirates chances atre slim and players playing for both these teams are overrated and are getting preferential treatment from bafana coaches,buy soccer laduma chiefs to stop asking stupid questions.

KING?: 2011-12-09 14:38


xee: he was asked by who and when

just reveal your source, then we will continue

xee: 2011-12-09 15:20

hey! king the game has not started but you nervous already I said soccer laduma guess ,you do not know the Junaid hurtley's interview with soccer regarding chiefs and pirates player Mr/Mrs king

xee: 2011-12-09 15:29

scoreline:pirates 20 wits 0 guess i have been smoking or drinking something any comments king

nare : 2011-12-09 20:04

Didn't Sean Permall score in dat 4-1 drubbing?

Malandela Mboto : 2011-12-10 05:49

Who is this Jennifer Malec,he is probably a Chiefs fan brother you are talking **** Pirates is going to win the final,uyathanda awuthandi butiza!

Admire mashaba : 2011-12-10 08:29

I think both teams hv hit form going into ths final bt i doubt if wits cn win @ nyt against the ghost!

FrankT: 2011-12-10 09:31

I GOT ABSOLUTE FAITH IN MY PLAYERS , COACH AND HIS TECHNICAL STAFF AS WELL AS THE MANAGEMENT OF THE TEAM , ALL OF THEM ARE AWARE OF THIS UNFORTUNATE HISTORY RELATING TO THIS CUP AND AS THE RESULT HAVE ALL MADE WINNING THIS CUP A PRIORITY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER THIS SEASON
ALL THE PREVIOUS MISFORTUNES OF THIS CUP WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE BUCCANEERS AND WITH ALL PLAYERS AVAILABLE ZEBRAWITS HAVE THEIR WORK CUT OUT FOR THEM

soca: 2011-12-10 13:01

who cares?

 
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